Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, What Am I?

[RLinNH]

I believe that you have the right to Bear Arms. You have the right to defend yourself again the slime that wants to prey on you in this World.

I Believe that you hsve the right to your own piece of property. If the Government wants it, they best have a Damned good reason to take it. And they best pay your ass what it's worth.


I believe that we should go to War when the PEOPLE say so. Yes, the Government has more info then the Public, But make the necesary information Public so as we can make an EDUCATED decision. No, the President should NOT make that decision on his own.


I believe that the direction that our Government is headed is WRONG. The Government should fear the People, not the other way around.


I believe that if you don't like Smoke, you should find a place that is Smoke free. Politics should not tell any establishment that if NEEDS to be so.


I believe that as a free Nation, we are ALL AMERICANS. I could give two Shats if you are Brown, Red, Pale, or Fugging Green. If you live in the United States, you are an American. My Forefathers(and I am talking not 40 years ago) came into this Country the LEGAL way. If you can't do it the same way, get the hell out.


I also believe that we have the technology to get off the foriegn nipple as far as oil goes. We have the people here that can make it happen. We can go all corn for fuel. It's right here in the US. I know, Lord Forbid we employ or Farmers(shaking head in disgust).



I know that I am sick of seeing us, as a Country, outsourcing ALL of our Labor. So what if a toy costs an extra dollar or two. We need to kepp OUR people employed. The same goes for our Cars, Trucks, everythjing. **** nafta. Let's get back to MADE IN THE USA!!!



So, what does that make me? It sure as heck does not make me a liberal(they and Political Correctness scare the **** out of me). I know that I am a Marine. I know that I served in Operation Iraqi Freedom for to damned long. I know that the direction that we are headed is scaring the **** out of me. Republican, Democrat, What?

 

[Dude]

Ib4tl...............

 

[Poindexter]

You sound a whole lot like what Libertarians are supposed to sound like.

I am not trying to stir anything up, just asking, what do you think about universal health care?

 

[RLinNH]

Ib4tl...............

Have no idea what that means.

 

[RLinNH]

You sound a whole lot like what Libertarians are supposed to sound like.

I am not trying to stir anything up, just asking, what do you think about universal health care?

I think that if we could find a way to make it work, Farking SCWHEEEET. I talking Even Health Care for everyone. But then again, look at Canada, and you have a System that works on Paper, but not realisticly.

 

[Poindexter]

IBTL or Ib4tl -> in before the lock.

 

[Bearcat Brewmeister]

You sound Libertarian. A good deal of Libertarians lean (or at least vote) with either Democrats (ie. Bill Maher) or Republicans (ie. Ron Paul) though. Based on the health care and NAFTA answers you gave, I would say Libertarian Democrat.

Read here plus links from here and then you may know for sure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

 

[Fingers]

**** nafta.

That's funny.

I agree on maybe a couple of your issues, but many of them demonstrate your ignorance of the relevant subject.

ib4tl

 

[homebrewer_99]

There are more sources than just this one, but it's a start for you...

http://buyamerican.com/

 

[RLinNH]

That's funny.

I agree on maybe a couple of your issues, but many of them demonstrate your ignorance of the relevant subject.

ib4tl

If I am so ignorant in your thinking, start the Education Fingers...

 

[Fingers]

If I am so ignorant in your thinking, start the Education Fingers...

Well, I would really enjoy a proper discussion on the subject, but HBT has a policy that prohibits political and religious discussions. I don't want to risk my membership by violating that policy but I can't help but suggest that you research free trade decisions involving Canada and the US. Most notably the free trade in softwood lumber. I've lost count of the number of violations that have resulted in favourable decisions for Canada. It's almost like your lawyers are deliberately trying to embarrass your great nation. A contract is a contract even if an 'i' looks like an 'l'. No sooner do we get a ruling on one issue and they're violating the agreement in another unique way. Litigation upon litigation. That's not how friends should trade freely.

 

[Whiskey]

I believe that you have the right to Bear Arms. You have the right to defend yourself again the slime that wants to prey on you in this World.

I Believe that you have the right to your own piece of property. If the Government wants it, they best have a Damned good reason to take it. And they best pay your ass what it's worth.


I believe that we should go to War when the PEOPLE say so. Yes, the Government has more info then the Public, But make the necessary information Public so as we can make an EDUCATED decision. No, the President should NOT make that decision on his own.


I believe that the direction that our Government is headed is WRONG. The Government should fear the People, not the other way around.


I believe that if you don't like Smoke, you should find a place that is Smoke free. Politics should not tell any establishment that if NEEDS to be so.


I believe that as a free Nation, we are ALL AMERICANS. I could give two Shats if you are Brown, Red, Pale, or Fugging Green. If you live in the United States, you are an American. My Forefathers(and I am talking not 40 years ago) came into this Country the LEGAL way. If you can't do it the same way, get the hell out.


I also believe that we have the technology to get off the foreign nipple as far as oil goes. We have the people here that can make it happen. We can go all corn for fuel. It's right here in the US. I know, Lord Forbid we employ or Farmers(shaking head in disgust).

I know that I am sick of seeing us, as a Country, outsourcing ALL of our Labor. So what if a toy costs an extra dollar or two. We need to keep OUR people employed. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

So, what does that make me? It sure as heck does not make me a liberal(they and Political Correctness scare the **** out of me). I know that I am a Marine. I know that I served in Operation Iraqi Freedom for to damned long. I know that the direction that we are headed is scaring the **** out of me. Republican, Democrat, What?

I'd have to agree with all of the above points.

 

[Greggy]

You're a republican.

Foxnews?

Greg

 

[Evets]

I think you're dead wrong about the corn for energy thing. Everything else, I pretty much agree with.
Oh, and I'm a republican.

 

[TheJadedDog]

You sound like a typical American who thinks for himself and is therefore neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am so sick of everyone thinking they have to pick one side or the other (Politics is not religion). Both sides are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Sounds to me like you've got a nice healthy independent attitude.

 

[Ize]

Meh, I've been gone for a few days due to work.

I think what I want to think, believe what I want to believe and do what I want to do.

For the most part tho I'm

Ib4tl



Ize

 

[eriktlupus]

i generally stay out of any discussion involving politics or religion (mostly because i think politicians and priests are full of hot air and/or corrupt). however, most of rl 's comments i do agree with except that there are better alternative fuels than corn(uses mmore energy to make than it produces)i.e. biomass, hydrro cell etc. what scares me is PC bs hand in hand with kneejerk reactions to local crisis

 

[todd_k]

ib4tl +1


fff

 

[RichBrewer]

That's funny.

I agree on maybe a couple of your issues, but many of them demonstrate your ignorance of the relevant subject.

ib4tl

Translated:
You don't believe what I believe so you are ignorant.

BTW- We will allow political discussions so long as they remain civil. So far everyone has done a pretty good job so it stays open.

 

[Orfy]

Originally Posted by Fingers
That's funny.

I agree on maybe a couple of your issues, but many of them demonstrate your ignorance of the relevant subject.

ib4tl

I had my finger on the button after that one.

 

[menschmaschine]

You sound like a typical American who thinks for himself and is therefore neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am so sick of everyone thinking they have to pick one side or the other (Politics is not religion). Both sides are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Sounds to me like you've got a nice healthy independent attitude.

I don't want to diminish what anyone else has said in this thread, but this is the most intelligent statement so far... at least to me, a registered independent.

 

[Fingers]

Translated:
You don't believe what I believe so you are ignorant.

BTW- We will allow political discussions so long as they remain civil. So far everyone has done a pretty good job so it stays open.

I wasn't using the term 'ignorant' to be rude. I was using it properly, meaning a lack of knowledge. No insult was intended.

These are the issues that I believe demonstrate a lack of understanding:

I believe that if you don't like Smoke, you should find a place that is Smoke free. Politics should not tell any establishment that if NEEDS to be so.

We can go all corn for fuel.

I know that I am sick of seeing us, as a Country, outsourcing ALL of our Labor. So what if a toy costs an extra dollar or two. We need to kepp OUR people employed. The same goes for our Cars, Trucks, everythjing. **** nafta. Let's get back to MADE IN THE USA!!!

You simply can't plant enough corn to be able to replace gasoline. Even what's being planted now is driving up grain prices and it hasn't even come close to alleviating the oil crunch. There are other possible solutions but we know that ethanol from corn won't do it.

NAFTA was meant to eliminate trade barriers between our two nations. This bilateral agreement was intended to facilitate trade in goods that our two countries will always need. The orginal agreement as written would have benefitted both parties by allowing the flow of goods to move unimpeded between the two. Now, I was a little, nay a lot, druck last night when I posted so I apologize if I was a little abrasive, but I stand by the point. No sooner was the ink dry on the agreement then the softwood industry lobbied the US government for trade sanctions.

There is an independant ruling body that looks at the issue and they repeatedly ruled in Canada's favour. Despite these favourable rulings the trade sanctions remained and the lawyers kept everything in the courts. We finally had to negotiate a political solution where we allowed the US softwood industry to keep $1.3 billion in illegal tariffs just so we could start selling our lumber again.

This truce lasted maybe a year and then the US started the traded sanctions all over again. That's one example.

Let's talk energy. Because of NAFTA we have to sell oil and gas to the US. HAVE to. Even if we can't supply our domestic markets we cannot curtail the flow to the US. Now they're looking at our fresh water and claiming NAFTA rights to that.

Manufacturing of goods is a drop in the bucket when it comes to resource trading. To say the the US should scrap NAFTA is ridiculous. They are benefitting far more than Canada is. WE should be the ones calling for it to end. Too many lawyers and greedy corporations getting rich over negotiations and circumventing the spirit of the agreement.

So that's what I meant about ignorance on some topics. I'll reiterate that I was not trying to be insulting by using that term or questioning any one's intelligence. Apologies if I ruffled anyone's feathers.

*edit* I forgot to mention the smoke issue. It's a workplace issue and we've had a lengthy discussion on this. The fact is that you cannot allow a workplace that is toxic to the workers. There are solutions beyond a smoking ban, but the status quo is contrary to safe workplace regulations.

 

[Kevin Dean]

You sound like a typical American who thinks for himself and is therefore neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am so sick of everyone thinking they have to pick one side or the other (Politics is not religion). Both sides are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Sounds to me like you've got a nice healthy independent attitude.

Exactly! The problem with political party afflilation is that very few people actually support 100% of a platfom. It gets especially worse when two "hot topics" you feel very strongly about and all the parties take opposing stances.

I'm quite politically active, but I've not yet found a candidate or platform I can stand by. I tend to ignore the party politics and get associated with causes instead.

Viva Libre!

 

[Warped04]

You simply can't plant enough corn to be able to replace gasoline. Even what's being planted now is driving up grain prices and it hasn't even come close to alleviating the oil crunch. There are other possible solutions but we know that ethanol from corn won't do it.

Fingers...One more thing to consider.

I usually try to stay out of try to stay out of these discussions, but one more thing to consider about ethanol. I've read various sources, but it takes between 1,700 and 2,500 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol.

I'm no farmer, and not a chemist, so I can't tell you if this is true. Just what I've read.

 

[z987k]

You sound like a typical American who thinks for himself and is therefore neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am so sick of everyone thinking they have to pick one side or the other (Politics is not religion). Both sides are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Sounds to me like you've got a nice healthy independent attitude.

+1000

you can think for yourself, I wouldn't rush off to identify with any party.

 

[EdWort]

I'm a conservative independent.

I believe almost all politicians are corrupt and government spends too much of our confiscated income to buy votes so they can stay in power.

I believe the politicians have bankrupted social security by spending the surplus every year on vote buying schemes and entitlements. What do you call someone who borrows money with no intention or ability to ever pay it back? I call it stealing and that's what congress has done with trillions of dollars in social security money. Instead of being invested and growing, there are a bunch of worthless IOU's in a file cabinet in West Virginia and they continue to do it every year.

I believe government education produces millions of idiots every year.

I believe in individual responsibility.

I believe you should speak English in America if you want to live here.

 

[Willy Boner]

I'm a registered Democrat, I am not that liberal nor conservative, sort of middle of the road. Just not old enough to be a Republican.

 

[Evan!]

Most of your thoughts are among typical small-L libertarian lines.

Except for the corn thing, which is just wrong (ethanol has a net energy loss after growing the corn and converting it to usable fuel), and the trade protectionism thing, which is just racist (why do I "deserve" my job more than someone in India? Because they're brown-skinned?).

 

[Danny013]

You sound like a typical American who thinks for himself and is therefore neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am so sick of everyone thinking they have to pick one side or the other (Politics is not religion). Both sides are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Sounds to me like you've got a nice healthy independent attitude.

QFT!

Screw politics, and screw the politicians. Less Government, more personal responsibility.

 

[rohanski]

This next election is going to be the scariest one to date. I mean look who is running on the demos side and one of them will likely win. Then we have a demo congress just to compliment it. Nationalized health care is just around the corner.

Oh ya back to the question. Your a dreamer.