Sweet Stout Deception Cream Stout

[BrewCityBaller]

Extract. I did two lbs of wheat and a whole lb of lactose that i know will not finish out... I had a strong boil. Still too high. Did I just brew a RIS?

What was the final volume of wort you collected? I am just trying to do some mental math here. If it was a five gallon batch, then that extra half pound of lactose gave you about 4 extra gravity points, and that won't ferment out. The wheat extract would also give you about another 4 points.

That still isn't enough to add so many points, so I am guessing you boiled down to a smaller volume?

Regardless, I would try to swirl up the yeast and maybe raise the fermentation temp a few degrees. If that doesn't cut it, then you could probably repitch. It should be finishing lower than 50s.

 

[bigmike99]

Going to give this a shot since I've had trouble with making stouts. I've also only tried making +\- 10% ones with bourbon soaked oak so that might have been overly aggressive for just starting to brew the style.

 

[OhCrap]

Thank you ncbeernut

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[Shenanigans]

I'm going to brew this soon but I have half a pound of Target so I think I'll sub the Magnum with those.

 

[brianles]

Brewed this a while ago and it just keep getting better from week to week. It has mellowed out very nicely indeed! Going to have to brew this again very soon! I'm new enough to brewing so I'm improving everytime( hopefully). Pressure is on for the next batch 😄. Cheers for the recipe

 

[bigmike99]

Brewed this up today. Hit 1.06 using extract since I was home with the little guys. Can't wait to give it a taste.

Thanks.

 

[bigmike99]

Wow. I've never had my blowoff burping quite like this one. Insane activity.

 

[Arrheinous]

My batch with cinnamon, nutmeg, and vanilla has been sitting around for 6 weeks. The problem is that I got an FG of 1.009 by hydrometer. Mash temps are coming out way low I guess and this had a healthy supply of yeast.

There's currently 1/2 pound of lactose and adding another pound with add 6 pts to the FG (5 gallons). That should put me back into sweet stout FG range (>1.012).

Should I do it or is 1.5# lactose even at low FG going to throw off the body?

 

[TrustyOlJohnson]

I brewed this 5 weeks ago as a way to clean up some grain inventory and get a good stout on tap. Here's what I used:
6.0 lbs 2 row
1.0 lb Flaked Wheat
1.0 lb White Wheat
14.1 oz Caramel/Crystal 40
10 oz Chocolate Malt
6 oz Carafa III
4 oz Roasted Barley
8 oz Lactose
4 oz Rice Hulls
1 oz Northern Brewer (60 min)
Wyeast 1098 British Ale
Irish Moss

Mashed at 152
Primary: week 1 at 62, week 2 at 65, week 3 at 68.

My efficiency hit a couple points too low (1.057) and it finished a few points high (1.019). This beer is a TOTAL SUCCESS!! Creamy, chocolaty coffee with a light body. At 4.9%, almost a sessionable stout. Very happy how it came out!

 

[TrustyOlJohnson]

So, I think I basically made a Wheat Milk Stout?

 

[pedimac]

Just had a glass - this is the real friggin deal! Thanks NCbeernut! Definitely added to the 'will keep on tap' list!

 

[FrozenOcean]

Brewed this earlier this winter (extract) with only a few small substitutions to the grain bill (I think some of the malts are called different things by different maltsters... I used an online grain substitution chart). Fermented with US-05.

Had a slight metallic off-taste right off the bat, but that mellowed out after a few weeks. It's now tasting awesome... One of my best beers ever, and I will brew it again.

 

[wtaylor3]

This is my next brew, I had only tried guiness up until 2 months ago and I wasn't a fan and all I ever heard is how bad stouts are and so I wrote them off.

Then I had a bells double cream stout on nitrogen and it got me hooked

Now I enjoy cream milk, and oatmeal stouts. Can't wait to try this

 

[Wreck99]

Its nothing like a Guinness. Much more flavor

 

[wtaylor3]

Bought the ingredients for a 5 gallon batch all grain today however I accidentally purchased us magnum instead of German magnum...hope it still turns out well

 

[TrustyOlJohnson]

Gol nabbit!! I jus blew my keg of this! I miss it already :/ Im gonna have to make 10 gallons next time

 

[wtaylor3]

Racked to fermenter, pitch us-05 and placed in bath tub before work...o.g. was 1.060 and sample tasted VERY chocolately....used a full lb of lactose and a full oz of magnum hops

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[wtaylor3]

Blowing off so much co2 that it woke swmbo up startled at 4:15 this morning...her reaction was not the same excitement I had, lots of krausen flowing through the blowoff tube

 

[Jupapabear]

You needed just a bit more head room, my friend. I must admit, mine was in a bucket, nearly as full and I blew the lid. Haha this is a good recipe.

 

[wtaylor3]

You needed just a bit more head room, my friend. I must admit, mine was in a bucket, nearly as full and I blew the lid. Haha this is a good recipe.

Yea I used a sparge calculator and I mustve missed my estimate on grain absorption and boil off.

I haven't lost much though just lots of krausen went to the blowoff container, its calmed down now I believe I'm going to switch to airlock and place in closet with the light ale and Irish red. Eventually I have a batch ready to drink

 

[wtaylor3]

I have turned this into more of a milk stout by upping the lactose to a full lb and I was surfing the forum while having a nesquik strawberry milk and got the idea to rack a gallon of deception onto 1.5 lbs of strawberries in a 2 gallon fermentation bucket.

However, so I googled strawberry milk stout and seen that Saugatuck brewing makes a Neapolitan milk stout and so now I'm thinking ill rack 3 gallons to a 5 gallon fermenter and one gallon to secondary in the aforementioned fashion and then the final gallon in the same way except with 1.5 lbs of strawberry and a vanilla bean....thoughts?

 

[PackerfaninSanDiego]

Its nothing like a Guinness. Much more flavor

are you serious? Guiness is overrated.....

 

[Wreck99]

are you serious? Guiness is overrated.....

That's my point! Deception Cream Stout is nothing like a Guinness, in a good way. Guinness tastes watered down by comparision. I only compared it because the name is well known.

 

[chucknorris101]

Would love to try this but not a real coffee fan, how big is the coffee flavor? Should I alter the roasted vs chocolate malt?

And if I were to put it over some coconut how much for a 3-4 Gallon batch? Like 8 Oz? Less?

 

[TrustyOlJohnson]

Would love to try this but not a real coffee fan, how big is the coffee flavor? Should I alter the roasted vs chocolate malt?



And if I were to put it over some coconut how much for a 3-4 Gallon batch? Like 8 Oz? Less?

I wouldn't say it has a strong coffee flavor. I made the recipe with the only exception being I used 6 lbs 2 row and 2 lbs wheat. This may be the most sessionable stout I've ever had. Very tasty and balanced. If you add coconut, maybe go light on it?

 

[bolus14]

When I made it there wasn't really any coffee to it, little roast but I wouldn't say coffee. The chocolate and caramel malt flavor was what I picked up on most.

 

[dlampen45]

Planning on doing a 10 gal AG version of this tomorrow it sounds awesome!
I do have 1 question however. I changed the lactose to .25 lbs from the original .5 for a 5 gallon batch to try and just pull a little sweetness through without actually getting a milk stout feel. My wife just talked me into making it a 10 gal, so I'm doing 2 5 gal mashes (since there's no way to fit that much grain in the mash tun) and boiling it together. Should i double the lactose as well to .5lbs and toss it in the boil like normal?

 

[stever1000]

I made this today with extract. My homebrew store didn't have small tubs of wheat so I used pale LME instead. They said it was odd there was wheat in a stout recipe. How will the flavour change since I used pale instead of wheat?

I used liquid extract and rounded up to the nearest pound so I used 6lbs of Amber LME and 2lbs of pale LME. I used crystal 60L instead of caramel.
My OG was around 1.060

Tasted good when I took the reading, excited to try it in a few weeks!

 

[seandamnit]

Made the extract recipe on Sunday, accidentally poured the whole 1oz bag of hops in instead of measuring out .75oz (I doubt this will make a big difference). 1.062 OG. Bubbling away after just a few hours.

Thinking about adding some vanilla after it's done fermenting. Would want it to be subtle, so probably only 1 bean - anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[seandamnit]

I made this today with extract. My homebrew store didn't have small tubs of wheat so I used pale LME instead. They said it was odd there was wheat in a stout recipe. How will the flavour change since I used pale instead of wheat?

I used liquid extract and rounded up to the nearest pound so I used 6lbs of Amber LME and 2lbs of pale LME. I used crystal 60L instead of caramel.
My OG was around 1.060

Tasted good when I took the reading, excited to try it in a few weeks!

My understanding is that the Wheat is there for head retention more than anything