Cosmic Punch (OYL-402) by Omega Yeast Labs

[AzOr]

thats an interesting take. i havent served a single thiolized beer that wasnt a hit. saaz and cascade in mash, maybe a little bit of very late kettle hop, and some beers with some dry hops, others without. all were damn good.

what i will say is that i am mostly getting the 3mha, which is your passion/guava. havent experienced the black currant, boxfruit, citrus,etc. is that because i keep using saaz/cascade? same base malt? dunno.

theres still too little info/research/results to be able to say, but it'd be damn nice if we could figure out how to hit some of those other notes. otherwise, it can be very one-note, i.e. passion/guava.

but i havent used cosmic, only star party and lunar crush.

SanPancho- are your tasty beers made w phantasm powder?
I wonder if that could be the difference. My first batch w Cosmic will be w/o phantasm.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

Your results may vary...

I have found that my batch made with Helio Gazer is much more enjoyable as it has aged. It has been in the keg for about 9 weeks. Most times I find my Hazies are kicked in about 4 weeks. This one has hung around because I just have not been craving a glass. The Thiol character was just too prominent and had a bit of an artificial vibe, and that has improved. I would be a little curious to try a batch made with Cosmic Punch instead to see if that provides a more balanced level of thiols.

 

[SanPancho]

SanPancho- are your tasty beers made w phantasm powder?
I wonder if that could be the difference. My first batch w Cosmic will be w/o phantasm.

nope. just the mash hops. and a small late-kettle charge often.

but the passion/guava note is the same. so to my mind, that just leaves malts or mash hops as the x factor. (assuming its not the yeast)

 

[sweetcell]

I have found that my batch made with Helio Gazer is much more enjoyable as it has aged. It has been in the keg for about 9 weeks. Most times I find my Hazies are kicked in about 4 weeks. This one has hung around because I just have not been craving a glass. The Thiol character was just too prominent and had a bit of an artificial vibe, and that has improved. I would be a little curious to try a batch made with Cosmic Punch instead to see if that provides a more balanced level of thiols.

i've been meaning to write up my experience with HG but have been too lazy... short version: same. i did all the thiol-precursor-boosting things (mash hops, phantasm, generous amount of thiol-rich late hops) and the jolly rancher/froot loops flavor was over the top. i mostly enjoyed it, but it was a bit much. next time i use that yeast i'll be dialing down the precursors. or might just use CP instead, given its lower output of thiols.

and to those who claim that you don't need to (or flat-out shouldn't) dry-hop with thiolized yeasts: eff that noise, IMHO. i split 10 gal into two HG batches, with and without DH, and the citra DH'ed half was much better per my palette. i concede that it might have been because the citra melded with (or hid) the thiols well. regardless, i'll continue DH'ing my thiolized yeast beers.

 

[sweetcell]

The Mad Fermentationist has written an excellent article on thiolized yeast - highly recommended reading. interesting thoughts on when and why to use thiolized yeasts.

Are Thiols a Scam? Thiolized Yeast, Phantasm, and the Rise of Designer Beer​

 

[cactusgarrett]

My experiences are very much in line with Mike's. IF I return to thiolized yeasts in the future, I'm definitely toning down the freeing-up processes and will probably abandon using any of the PatB strains. It was all just too much.

 

[sweetcell]

I'm definitely toning down the freeing-up processes

yup, that's my conclusion too - don't wanna have too much of a good thing.