American Pale Ale Coldwater 420 - Special Pale Ale

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Oh, but I should add that IMHO, I cannot imagine this without cascades, but I am sure your beer will be great without it.
 

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I definitely love cascade but am looking to use up these hops. Hoping I don't regret the sub. I can always brew it again with cascades as I have them on hand too.
 

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Well, keep us posted. I love cascades too, but getting burnt out on them. Would love to change it up and keep this grain bill. As I have posted before, I have never had the sweetwater, so can't speak to the accuracy of the clone. So I am not concerned about being true to the original. But it makes a Damn fine pale that I will use a a base for other pales or ipas, so your experiments are of interest to me :) !
 

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The last time I made this, my second attempt, turned out Awesome! I'm drinking a beer right now, bottled from keg, over 100 days ago and I'm in love. I had a couple sitting around and after having this tonight I'm ready to brew another lighter beer.

Here's my recipe:

Sweetwater part deux

Dingemans aromatic malt
Strong malt lb -20 - .5 oz

Dingemans Pilsen malt
LB 1.2 - .5 oz

Steep 30 mins

6 lb DME extra light

Centennial Type - 1 oz - 60 mins
Cascade - 1.5 oz - 30 mins
Cascade - 1.5 oz - 5 mins

OG 1.055

Safale S-05 gen 2

Kegged 11/29
FG 1.012

ABV 5.7%


I think I'm going to bring it back but all grain this weekend.
 

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The last time I made this, my second attempt, turned out Awesome! I'm drinking a beer right now, bottled from keg, over 100 days ago and I'm in love. I had a couple sitting around and after having this tonight I'm ready to brew another lighter beer.

Here's my recipe:

Sweetwater part deux

Dingemans aromatic malt
Strong malt lb -20 - .5 oz

Dingemans Pilsen malt
LB 1.2 - .5 oz

Steep 30 mins

6 lb DME extra light

Centennial Type - 1 oz - 60 mins
Cascade - 1.5 oz - 30 mins
Cascade - 1.5 oz - 5 mins

OG 1.055

Safale S-05 gen 2

Kegged 11/29
FG 1.012

ABV 5.7%


I think I'm going to bring it back but all grain this weekend.

Newb here... is this an extract/ steep method? I've been looking around for a good extract + steep for Sweetwater 420. Thanks for any help!
 

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So I made a PM/extract version of this totally off the wall.

But it tastes JUST like 420. Here it is

5lbs Pils DME

10oz Munich
6oz Crystal 20l
8oz Carapils


60 minute boil
1oz magnum

20 minutes left
1oz cascade

10minutes left
1oz cascade

Yeast
wyeast 1028 london ale

Let it sit in the fermenter at about 68 degrees for 3 weeks, kegged it and drank it all gone in about a week O.O
 

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I've really been wanting to make this one as I can't get 420 often down here in Southern CA. I think my girlfriend would kill me if I made another Pale Ale right now though haha *bookmarked*
 

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I made an attempt at this. Sweetwater 420 is my favourite pale ale but i cant get a hold of it in sweden. Tried the coldwater 420 yeaterday and i mustve made some misstakes. First of it was sweet. And secondly the color was off. I get that problem with all my beers. They get this ugly brown color. Why is this?
My OG was 60 and FG was 10 after 17 days primary.

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This may be what my next brew day will produce! I love me some 420 and just got some more 2-row. Now I just need the Munich, et al (I have the hops and yeast already) from the LHBS and, BOOM! Tasty brew for me and you... Lol


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I got a friend thats in town for 3 months and he loves 420, anyone brew the AG version and how did it turn out?
 

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I got a friend thats in town for 3 months and he loves 420, anyone brew the AG version and how did it turn out?
Ive made three different attempts at this beer, done small changes everytime and it just gets better and better( im becoming a better brewer i guess).
It becomes a really tasty pale ale with just pilsnermalt, vienna and carapils(I dont have light munich, just regular munich and it messed up the color). At the latest batch i had gotten a bit sick of the cascades so i made it with 50/50 centennial and citra and that was great aswell but with the cascades it gets closer to the original.
 

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I drink this on the regular. They sell it at my local flash foods along with SNPA. Its danky for sure its got something in it besides cascade that pulls that dank weed smell out.
 

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In order to do a 5 gallon batch, would you recommend just cutting the original recipe in half? It seemed close to a 10 gallon batch. Thanks. Still trying to figure out the recipe stuff instead of the biab stuff.
 

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I know this is an old thread but I will be brewing this weekend. I tried Sweetwater at a brew pub in NOLA and i liked it alot. Unfortunately I cannot get in the stores so i'm hoping this one comes close.
 

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Brewed this weekend. Preboil OG was 1.055/ post boil OG was 1.075. This is 12 points higher than it should have been. Double checked my grain and water and all was good. Not sure why I didn't hit my numbers.
 

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Fellas...have a freezer full of homegrown cascade and this recipe was next in line. However, local homebrew supply store doesn't carry caraaroma. What can/should a dude substitute? Some sort of mid-range crystal? Charts say c120 but that seems excessive...thoughts?
 

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From the Weyermann description:

Very dark caramel malt with aromatic properties. Adds deep red color and aroma. Amber ales, dark lagers, bocks. Substitute for Belgian Special B or 120L caramel malts.

EBC: 300-400
Lovibond: 110-150
Usage: to 15%
Moisture:: 4.5-7.0%
Total nitrogen:: 10.5-12.5%
Extract% (dry basis): 74-79
Soluble Nitrogen Ratio: N/A
 

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a number of the bars here have 420 on tap , and I drink it fairly often . Personally, I think the Sweetwater 420 is dry hopped. Something like 1oz for 10 gallons for at least 7 days
 

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I drink this on the regular. They sell it at my local flash foods along with SNPA. Its danky for sure its got something in it besides cascade that pulls that dank weed smell out.
Stone got lots of "dank" out of their first version of Ruination using Centennial only. 420 has both Cascade & Centennial, so I am betting it's that.

:)
 

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Brewing this during the life shutdown...can't wait! Had the Sweetwater at a local restaurant a couple of weeks back and realized that I missed it.
 

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Anyone tries austinhomebrew.com's clone recipe of this one?
1 lb of 40L doesn't seem right to me. I know in older references to the recipe there is talk of 40L but their website doesn't currently list it as a malt, and when I taste this beer I don't get quite the crystal sweetness 1 lb of 40L would bring. I actually made a semi-clone of Starr Hill Northern Lights and used 1 lb of 40L and it came out good. The bar I used to go to sometimes had both of them on tap and Starr Hill definitely tastes more malty to me than 420.
 
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1 lb of 40L doesn't seem right to me. I know in older references to the recipe there is talk of 40L but their website doesn't currently list it as a malt, and when I taste this beer I don't get quite the crystal sweetness 1 lb of 40L would bring. I actually made a semi-clone of Starr Hill Northern Lights and used 1 lb of 40L and it came out good. The bar I used to go to sometimes had both of them on tap and Starr Hill definitely tastes more malty to me than 420.
Thanks for your thoughtful responce! I ordered the kit and will try it as the kig comes then
do a direct comparison with 420 which I can get around here. I will follow up with thoughts then try again replacing the crystal with base malt and see how it changes. As always the members here are a constant source of information and experience. cheers!
 

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Thanks for your thoughtful responce! I ordered the kit and will try it as the kig comes then
do a direct comparison with 420 which I can get around here. I will follow up with thoughts then try again replacing the crystal with base malt and see how it changes. As always the members here are a constant source of information and experience. cheers!
Sounds good. If you've already got the kit definitely do it. I'd be curious to know how the kit compares to the original vs something with 2 row/munich/wheat which their website lists.
 

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I brewed the Austin Homebrew kit and then killed the keg in a weekend. It was delicious! I made a few changes and moved the flameout hops to a 170* whirlpool for 20 min then added 1 oz of cascade to dryhop 3 days before kegging. I cant say it was a perfect clone of 420 but I can say it was a really teriffic pale ale. The malty backbone was subtle which I really liekd. I do think the color was too dark from the crystal 40. Im gonna brew it again soon.
 

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The Austin Homebrew recipe calls for 1lb of crystal 40L, 8.5lb of 2 row and 2lb of Munich. On the Sweetwater website it states their grain bill as 2 row Munich Wheat and Midnight wheat. If I were to keep the 2row and Munich amounts the same what amounts of the wheat and midnight wheat do you think I should use?

I was thinking 1lb of wheat and .25lbs Midnight wheat. I would of course enter into my brewing software to make sure the gravity etc was on point. Thoughts? Thanks E
 

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The Austin Homebrew recipe calls for 1lb of crystal 40L, 8.5lb of 2 row and 2lb of Munich. On the Sweetwater website it states their grain bill as 2 row Munich Wheat and Midnight wheat. If I were to keep the 2row and Munich amounts the same what amounts of the wheat and midnight wheat do you think I should use?

I was thinking 1lb of wheat and .25lbs Midnight wheat. I would of course enter into my brewing software to make sure the gravity etc was on point. Thoughts? Thanks E
What was your SRM with the kit vs the SRM with the new recipe? What % of the grain bill does the midnight wheat come out to with the 4 ounces? That grain seems out of place in a pale ale but they must be just using a very small amount(1-2%) for a slight color adjustment.
 

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So here is my new take on the recipe. My 1st brew was using the Austin Homebrew Clone. Now this 2nd time I took out the crystal and added 1lb of wheat and also .0625lb of midnight wheat. The color falls into the acceptable scale of Pale ale. Austin version 16.7EBC and this new version 17.8 I also changed the bittering addition to centenial and doubled down on dryhopping at 2oz. The Austin version didnt call for any dryhopping. Iwould love to hear any thoughts! Thanks Erik
 

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Tapped the new keg of this clone yesterday and did a blind taste test with a few friends. My take was that this clone was so similar. All but one taster chose my version over the real 420. They were so similar the real only difference I could tell was that mine was just fresher which I know vs a bottle beer from a liquor store isnt quite fair.

Now on to the color. I used the 1 oz of midnight wheat because its on Sweetwaters grain bill. However my color was wayyyy to dark compared to the color of Sweetwaters. My next attempt will be to drop the midnight wheat all together or sub it with a crystal malt...maybe crystal 20.

Either way this beer is great and I encourage anyone interested to brew my recipe in above post. Cheers, E
 

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Nice update. FWIW I wouldn't use any crystal on this recipe. I've never used midnight wheat so have no experience with it's potency but they must use a very small amount. Scaled down we may be talking about a few grams. Probably not worth it to even try to incorporate into a homebrew size batch.
 

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Interesting...I have used Juice quite a bit, and it typically rips through the sugars and is at terminal within 4 days. I often ramp it to 70 on day 3.
Tapped the new keg of this clone yesterday and did a blind taste test with a few friends. My take was that this clone was so similar. All but one taster chose my version over the real 420. They were so similar the real only difference I could tell was that mine was just fresher which I know vs a bottle beer from a liquor store isnt quite fair.

Now on to the color. I used the 1 oz of midnight wheat because its on Sweetwaters grain bill. However my color was wayyyy to dark compared to the color of Sweetwaters. My next attempt will be to drop the midnight wheat all together or sub it with a crystal malt...maybe crystal 20.

Either way this beer is great and I encourage anyone interested to brew my recipe in above post. Cheers, E
I have tried a few times to clone this, and my attempts never have that amazing floral citrus hop character the the commercial version has. I always assume it's the hops.

Can I ask where you are sourcing your Cascade/Centennial?
 

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Hey there...So I completely agree and will forget the midnight wheat the next time I brew this. I just dont think its necessary and on a 5 gallon batch it would be such a small amount. I think 420 is much lighter than most pale ales. Either way this is a great recipe and will 100% be my house pale ale from now on.

I dryhopped with 2 oz on day 11 and left in through cold crashing and kegged at day 15. I get my hops from Morebeer.com. They do such a volume of business I always was pleased with the quality of hops. Good luck and let me know if you brew this and what you think. Cheers
 

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Thanks! I live in Canada but travel to Florida often (when not in pandemic). 420 is one of my favorites and is incredible on draft. I won't have any to compare, but I've had enough of it that I should be able to remember.

I brew pretty well the exact same grainbill as you posted for my single hop Pale Ales but use Dark Munich. Now that I think of it, the colour is VERY close to what I remember 420 being like.

Cheers
 

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