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I like how you placed the heaviest bottles on the top shelf, trusting that it's not going to collapse and take out all the bottles on the lower shelves. :)

I would be cautious of that, saw this online awhile back.
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Yeah, trust me, it's not staying like that. I plan on rearranging the whole cabinet this weekend. Currently I've got all my "shelved" and "cellared" beers mixed in with my "drink anytime" beers. So I've got to get that sorted out and get some dates on some bottles.
 
you guys ever think beer will be an investment like wine collectors are these days? or is this already happening?
 
you guys ever think beer will be an investment like wine collectors are these days? or is this already happening?


It already is, some beers sell for $4000 or more. Most of the highly sought after "collectible" beers are Lambic though, since they typically hold up well for a long time.
 
I don't think beer will ever match the "investment" values that wine has.

First, "vintage" of beer does not depend heavily on the growing season of the ingredients therefore a good year or bad year depends almost entirely on the brewer.

Second, there is effectively no "terroir" with beer, we all use the same raw ingredients and within reason any brewery could clone another brewery's beer. We don't talk about where the barley and hops were grown, the soil type and age of the plants.

Those two items create the scarcity in wine for top vintage years from top growing regions and there is very high demand for the best wine grapes in the world.

Third, the long game for aging beer is much shorter than wine. The VAST majority of beer is best within two years of production. Even the best beers for aging generally aren't cellared for more than a decade. This makes any "investment" in beer less appealing as you must buy and sell in a fairly short time frame.

With only artificial scarcity and comparatively short aging timelines, the "investment" in beer is not very appealing. Sure, you can make a few bucks on selling some bottles of a limited release beer, but if that same brewery releases 10x the amount of the same beer 6 months later, the value plummets.
 
I don't think beer will ever match the "investment" values that wine has.

First, "vintage" of beer does not depend heavily on the growing season of the ingredients therefore a good year or bad year depends almost entirely on the brewer.

Second, there is effectively no "terroir" with beer, we all use the same raw ingredients and within reason any brewery could clone another brewery's beer. We don't talk about where the barley and hops were grown, the soil type and age of the plants.

Those two items create the scarcity in wine for top vintage years from top growing regions and there is very high demand for the best wine grapes in the world.

Third, the long game for aging beer is much shorter than wine. The VAST majority of beer is best within two years of production. Even the best beers for aging generally aren't cellared for more than a decade. This makes any "investment" in beer less appealing as you must buy and sell in a fairly short time frame.

With only artificial scarcity and comparatively short aging timelines, the "investment" in beer is not very appealing. Sure, you can make a few bucks on selling some bottles of a limited release beer, but if that same brewery releases 10x the amount of the same beer 6 months later, the value plummets.


There are a few specific cases where I disagree.

Geueze takes at least three years to make, since it is a blend of 1, 2, and 3 year old lambic. Geueze and lambic can be aged for 10+ years and are aged like that more and more these days. Other styles such as stouts, barleywines, and old ales can also be aged for an extended period. Just like wine, not every style can be aged and even styles that can be aren't always suitable for a very long aging period.

Also, more breweries are doing spontaneous fermentation, which does exhibit a degree of terroir from the yeast and bugs that naturally inhabit an area.

Finally, I think we are seeing a similar price evaluation with some beer selling for $50+ on the shelves and into the thousands for rare and older vintages.

So yes, I think beer is becoming more of an 'investment' like wine. But just like with wine, not everyone is a collector and most who do collect aren't doing it to make money, but rather to enjoy good beer.
 
Mother. Of. God.

Seriously one of the most impressive cellars I've seen. And probably the most Bourbon County I've ever seen one person own. Did you individually buy all that BC or trade for it?

Bought it all, but at wholesale prices, which is nice. About 100 bottles, give or take. 2009 -2015. I think about 500 bottles total.
 
Bought it all, but at wholesale prices, which is nice. About 100 bottles, give or take. 2009 -2015. I think about 500 bottles total.


Did you get refunds on all the sour BCBS and variants from last year? I had over 3 cases of regular, but got lucky and kept them all in the cold fridge when the coffee and barley wine went to ****, so had a bunch of "sour" batches that still taste good. Unfortunately I tossed the few bottles of **** prop I drank before they owned up to putting out poor quality product.
 
Did you get refunds on all the sour BCBS and variants from last year? I had over 3 cases of regular, but got lucky and kept them all in the cold fridge when the coffee and barley wine went to ****, so had a bunch of "sour" batches that still taste good. Unfortunately I tossed the few bottles of **** prop I drank before they owned up to putting out poor quality product.

I got refunds for my barleywine and coffee. Sent in for the refunds on 16 bottles of regular, haven't received the check yet though.

Reminds me, i meant to put that case of regular back in the fridge...
 
Did you get refunds on all the sour BCBS and variants from last year? I had over 3 cases of regular, but got lucky and kept them all in the cold fridge when the coffee and barley wine went to ****, so had a bunch of "sour" batches that still taste good. Unfortunately I tossed the few bottles of **** prop I drank before they owned up to putting out poor quality product.

I didn't send in for refunds. I'll drink them. I haven't had any that were bad. Probably could have gotten a couple hundreds dollars though.

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I just hit my first year and have quite a ways to go, but I'm to about 40 good bottles and 20 more ok bottles. Don't have a picture of my other tub. I was stoked when I realized it had been a year and I was able to purchase my first 2nd generation bottles! Edit: After going through all 42 pages of this thread I'm going to say I have about 10 "good" bottles, 30 "ok" bottles, and 20 "I'm only aging these because I don't know any better" bottles, haha. So impressed with some of these collections! Gives me something to aim for!

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Did a revamp of the cellar! Stained all the shelves and added lights to help see the back bottles. Also built a couple shelves for glasses.

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