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Those points are covered on the website. The original point of C4C was to help reduce emissions. The economic benefit (if any) is a secondary issue. A clunker that isn't running produces zero emissions. :) Per the program rules, all clunkers turned in must be scrapped. That's why you can't get trade-in money on a C4C car.


Yeah, I guess I should read and research before I comment but I have no plans of getting rid of our 2 vehicles, one each. I was pretty sure it had something to do with emissions, that is a no brainer, but just like the mortgage bailout this is something that does not benifit my household.
 
Reduce emissions? So add a dirty car tax to thier registrations, dont use my tax $$ to pay for it please. Make them pay for it.

Also, if the goal was not to boost the auto market, why do you have to buy a NEW car? They were on CNN the other night pounding the issue home that this was about the auto industry, getting cars sold, getting people back to work etc. The issue of emissions was not brought up.

I agree it will help with emissions, but if that was the goal, the mandate would not be that it has to be a NEW car. They can say what they will, but this is about moving cars... I mean, the govt. is in the car selling business now.
 
The C4C idea started way before the US auto crash Pol. No argument that subsequent factors made it more palatable to the politicians to vote for, but the original idea had been bouncing around congress for many years.
 
Why cant I by a used car that gets 25-35 MPG? I mean, that still takes care of the emissions issue... why? I mean, why buy a 20k car and get a $4500 rebate courtesy of the tax payer, when I could get a 10k car... pay cash, keep myself out of debt AND help the planet? That makes more sense to me.

I mean, debt is a large reason our country is so screwed now anyway... this is tempting to those who look for excuses to buy shiney things that they should not.
 
Saw an article in this mornings paper that said the recyclers were unsure if they were going to accept the cars. They claimed that up to 60% of the profit they make off of scrap cars comes from the resale of the drivetrain. Under the gubmints rules they require the dealers that take the "clunkers" to drain the fluids from the motor and tranny and fill it with a sodium silicate solution and then run the motor until it siezes.
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Saw an article in this mornings paper that said the recyclers were unsure if they were going to accept the cars. They claimed that up to 60% of the profit they make off of scrap cars comes from the resale of the drivetrain.

If those recyclers don't want the scrap, others will.
 
Right. My dealer got $4500 from the government, and $9200 from me. The balance was dealer incentives and a $3000 Hyundai rebate.

I also got $200 for the scrap value, and my dealer got $50 for his share of the scrap payment.

The goal is to get inefficient gas guzzlers off the road. The rules are strict, but it's because they don't want people heading off to a junkyard or someplace where the cars are intact but non running, or having people buying/selling these cars just to get the CARS money. They also want to stimulate the auto sales, so there is more than one motivation here.
 
The guy that drew this plan up years ago stated that he wouldnt have voted for it in its current form, congress made it a bastard of what it was meant to be. Thanks gubmint.
 
I'd probably do it if I didn't need a damn bus to haul my kids around in. :D Plus I put new tires and brakes on the Excursion within the last 12 months, so there's always that too.
 
I'd probably do it if I didn't need a damn bus to haul my kids around in. :D Plus I put new tires and brakes on the Excursion within the last 12 months, so there's always that too.

Yeah, but you and Emily have like 26 kids. :D

Now that I'm darn near an "empty nester", I need a smaller car and can unload my bus!
 
I just got a new car, but my truck didn't qualify (21-24 mpg). Got $4K for it anyway in a private sale, would have been around $3100 or so trade in, so I can't complain.
 
If those recyclers don't want the scrap, others will.
The problem with that is by the time the recycler has paid for, transported and salvaged the clunker car he claims he has 4-6 hundred dollars into it. Most of his return was from the power train, which is now junk, scrap steel at about a penny a pound, along with the rest of about 75% of the car. The plastic, aluminum and other assorted metals are a few more dollars. You don't make a living by paying 4-6 hundred dollars for something, then selling it for 250-3 hundred.
Sure, I know, the Chinese will buy them. :rolleyes:
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I don't know what research you did on Hyundai, but I have an 02 Elantra that runs like a dream. It also was the first year of above epic crash test ratings. So in all, you are buying an American made car, with great ratings and good gas mileage. Well done. Affordable too.
 
We went to the dealership yesterday to see if my old Dakota qualified. We ended up talking numbers on an 09 Mitsubishi Galant. Seemed like a good deal, had excitement of getting a new car going through our veins, so we told them we'd think about the offer over night and come back if we wanted it. Got home, calmed down, looked at actual numbers. Not really a great deal for me personally. Would be if you were looking for a Brand New Mitsubishi Galant, but I'm not. For the Price we would have payed through the life of the lone, I could get the vehicle I actually want with a normal 3-5 year loan (Used Wrangler), Keep my beater truck, and have enough for a brand new dirtbike.
Didn't look like such a great deal. I don't feel I deserve a Brand New car yet. I'm only 26. If I ever do decide to buy a brand new one off the lot I want to hand them a sheet of paper with my vehicle defined to the smallest detail, and say find that vehicle.

Seems like a good program for someone looking for a little car like you got there yoop and who has cash to pay the remainder.
 
If I ever do decide to buy a brand new one off the lot I want to hand them a sheet of paper with my vehicle defined to the smallest detail, and say find that vehicle.

Buy a BMW. You specify *everything* and you can arrange a discount if you "take delivery" at the plant in Germany. Oddly, the savings on the car tend to equate to the price of the flight and a night or two in a hotel. :p

When my Dad bought his BMW a couple of years ago, the "setting up your preferences" must have been about two hours, and they literally walked through the car and determined how you want each bit to behave. It's kinda neat.

I bought one used (sporty, stick shift, awd, and better than my old Celica) as part of getting a new job and having a longer commute, so I didn't get to decide as many settings, but you can still modify a fair bit through the dash. Nor did I get a trip to Germany. Ah well, I'll save that for when, like you, I finally decide to buy a new car! :mug:

(ps: Having someone else eat the depreciation on a 2 year old BMW is hard to pass up, though!)
 
Cash for Clunkers= EPIC FAIL!!
After less than a week uncle gubmint says they can't handle it. Worried that their 1 billion dollars is gonna get all used up before they can figure a way to stash away their "fair share" of the free money. Business as usual in the USA.
This is the same gubmint that wants to give you socialized medicine.
Friggin morons.
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I don't know what research you did on Hyundai, but I have an 02 Elantra that runs like a dream. It also was the first year of above epic crash test ratings. So in all, you are buying an American made car, with great ratings and good gas mileage. Well done. Affordable too.

I'm married to a scientist, who approached car buying like it was his job. He researched all of the safety features, compared buyers satisfaction surveys, and then looked at all of the quality assurances. I initially wanted another Toyota Corolla, but considered a Honda Accord and a Mazda 3.

He convinced me to give Hyundai a try, and I was very impressed with the "solidness" of the car, the extra safety features like the side curtain airbags, and the little free luxuries like an IPOD cable/USB port. It seems like I got a lot of car for a little money.
 
(ps: Having someone else eat the depreciation on a 2 year old BMW is hard to pass up, though!)
No crap on this. We went back to OU a couple years ago and ran into an old freind. He was driving a Beamer and I said, How can you afford that being a college student! He said they're aren't bad used. Told us what he paid. It was the same as we paid for a our used Buick Rendezvous. I was surprised. This is also the reason I will not buy a Brand New car until my kids are done with college and I'm running out of places to stash all my extra cash.

So much for that program! We test drove Prius for teh hell of it last night. Wife Loves them, I had never seen the inside. It was an 08 and it surpassed my expectations. I wouldn't have a problem buying one as her car, but wouldn't want to drive one myself everyday.
 
Cash for Clunkers= EPIC FAIL!!
After less than a week uncle gubmint says they can't handle it. Worried that their 1 billion dollars is gonna get all used up before they can figure a way to stash away their "fair share" of the free money. Business as usual in the USA.
This is the same gubmint that wants to give you socialized medicine.
Friggin morons.
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Actually it looks like it was an EPIC SUCCESS to me.

'Clunkers' Program Low on Cash, Lawmakers May Seek Stimulus Funds

Democrats in Congress are hoping to bring a bill to the House floor today to provide $2 billion to continue the federal government's week-old "cash for clunkers," program, which has proven so popular with consumers that it is almost out of cash.

A congressional source said the money would come from money in the already-passed economic stimulus package that was intended for energy loan guarantees. Congress would seek to replenish the energy program at a later date.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday that the program is continuing, even as administration officials work with Congress to find ways to continue funding it. "We're confident we'll have a solution," Gibbs told reporters. "It's something we believe can, should and will be extended."

Gibbs did not say whether stimulus money would be reallocated for the program, which was created to boost stagnant auto sales. He also declined to say how long the program would be continued under the discussions now taking place. Late Thursday, he said that "auto dealers and consumers should have confidence that all valid CARS transactions that have taken place to-date will be honored."

Federal transportation officials called lawmakers Thursday to warn them the program was facing a temporary suspension, congressional sources said, prompting a panic among dealers and a flurry of activity on Capitol Hill.

The House bill was being drafted after Michigan lawmakers held an emergency meeting Friday morning in the office of Sen. Carl Levin. The congressional source involved in the process said it could be considered by the full House under a suspension of the rules, a procedure that would allow the chamber to move the bill quickly but also requires two-thirds support to pass and does not allow amendments. The Senate is not in session until Monday.

"The cash for clunkers program has proven hugely successful in its first week," Levin said in a statement. "We have been told by the White House that people can keep buying cars under the program until further notice. We don't know how long it will last, so people should go to their car dealers now if they want to take advantage of the program. We're also going to seek additional funding to hopefully make the program last longer."

The program, formally known as the Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS), gives vouchers worth up to $4,500 to consumers who trade in gas-guzzling cars for more fuel-efficient models. The highly publicized effort -- passed by Congress in late June to help the flagging U.S. auto industry and launched just a week ago with $1 billion in funds -- was scheduled to run until Nov. 1, or until money ran out.

But as tens of thousands of people rushed to trade in their cars, sources familiar with the discussions who spoke on condition of anonymity said, federal transportation officials worried that the program's coffers could be empty by week's end.

Shortly before 1 a.m. Friday, several local dealers said in interviews that they would wait to see how the government was going to proceed with the program before they accepted any more clunkers. Dealers had been expecting an overwhelming response to the program to continue through the weekend.

Officials say they did not expect the program to run out of cash so quickly. "We're going to try to figure out what's a realistic amount of money and get it into the program," Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) said Thursday.

The official Web site for the program, Cars.gov, said Thursday night that $779 million remained in its coffers, but it was not clear how much of that money had already been committed. Auto dealers said they've had an overwhelming response from consumers wanting to turn in their clunkers. Under the program, consumers get a voucher for up to $4,500 -- depending on the model and average fuel economy of their car or truck -- if they buy a new car or truck that gets better gas mileage than the one that was scrapped. The payoff grows depending on the difference in the fuel efficiencies of the old and new cars.

So how the heck is that a failure? So many people availed themselves of the program that it sold out faster than U2 tickets...looks like they are going to add another 2 billion to the kitty, which will also go by pretty fast.
 
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Cash for Clunkers
Anybody else taking advantage of this program?
 
well anyhow... I am a little pissed... and not at the gov on this... they did their job...
Bank of America on the other hand did not... My loan did not get processed until freaking 4:45pm yesterday... Dealer will not accept a personal check so I had to reschedule delivery of my new car to this morning at 9:30am... I got a call at 8:20 from the dealer saying that the Gov has suspended the CARS program to re-evaluate the situation.

I signed the contract on this car on saturday... I was prepared and ready... BoA was not and I got screwed because of it... I don't blame the gov at all... I blame idiots not doing their job and BoA not having a more organized office system of handling car loan appropriation.

End Rant!
 
Anybody else taking advantage of this program?

Nope cause they pulled the plug on it.

Apparently No Dealership has received any form of check from the government yet and the government had no record or tracking on the amount of money spent. I wonder how many dealerships are going to get screwed out of rebate checks that they honored but the Government won't.

*I don't feel that comment is a debate thread reply, but if it is please delete*
 
well anyhow... I am a little pissed... and not at the gov on this... they did their job...
Bank of America on the other hand did not... My loan did not get processed until freaking 4:45pm yesterday... Dealer will not accept a personal check so I had to reschedule delivery of my new car to this morning at 9:30am... I got a call at 8:20 from the dealer saying that the Gov has suspended the CARS program to re-evaluate the situation.

I signed the contract on this car on saturday... I was prepared and ready... BoA was not and I got screwed because of it... I don't blame the gov at all... I blame idiots not doing their job and BoA not having a more organized office system of handling car loan appropriation.

End Rant!
With all due respect, do you know how many loans they were probably processing that day that got turned in before yours? It is just bad luck that yours was too far down the line to get to in time. Regardless how you feel about the bank working 24 hours a day to process your loan, that is some body's job that they hired into working 9-5. 5Pm, days over go home to family. Resume work tomorrow. oops, come tomorrow, Government cancelled program. Bad luck and timing. That's a chance taken for waiting on a program like this.
 
With all due respect, do you know how many loans they were probably processing that day that got turned in before yours? It is just bad luck that yours was too far down the line to get to in time. Regardless how you feel about the bank working 24 hours a day to process your loan, that is some body's job that they hired into working 9-5. 5Pm, days over go home to family. Resume work tomorrow. oops, come tomorrow, Government cancelled program. Bad luck and timing. That's a chance taken for waiting on a program like this.

They have a quality insurance program at BoA... I applied for the loan on a saturday... They had almost 5 days to process this and get the money transfered. I was approved on the same day as I applied... They dropped the ball. They are supposed to be able to close in 2 business days... If they cannot do that then they in my opinion are not able to competently do their job.
 
Hopefully the gov will pop in some more $$$.

I believe they did not expect such a high demand in our "depressed" economy.

Especially considering how many cars $1billion gets you.

Example: $1,000,000,000/$4500/car = 222,222 cars (rounded)

Currently there are more than 250,000,000 registered cars.

(222,222/250,000,000)*100%= 0.088% of registered cars.

So, for ever billion $$ we can change the number of registered cars in America by 0.088%. Doesn't go far especially with the car obsessed people here in US.

I think it is a great idea, but not enough funds or thinking.

OT: I won't be taking advantage of it. Our cars are just fine.
 

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