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Vanilla fragrans, as genuine vanilla is known, is native to Mexico, and well into the 19th century makers of high-quality Mexican vanilla had a lock on the business. But competitors elsewhere in the world began stealing market share, and in the 1880s the first synthetic vanilla was developed in Germany. During the Mexican Revolution of 1910-'20 fighting devastated the gulf coast, the center of Mexican vanilla cultivation, and production dropped sharply. Faced with a flood of cheap ersatz product and little of the genuine article to sell, Mexican producers began making synthetic vanilla themselves. But Mexico was still known as the home of the world's best vanilla, so the producers didn't admit what they were doing. They disguised the artificial taste by adding coumarin, an extract of the tonka bean, Dipteryx odorata. Coumarin tastes and smells just like vanilla, only more so. One whiff and your rube tourist from Utah is likely to say, "Whoa, that's good!" No, that's bad. Coumarin has been shown to cause liver damage in lab animals. The Food and Drug Administration restricted it starting in 1940 and banned it outright from all foods and food additives sold in the U.S. in 1954. Many other countries have done likewise.
Coumarin has its uses. A derivative called dicumarol is used as an anticoagulant (blood thinner). Under the trade name warfarin it's used to poison rats by causing internal bleeding. The 1983 article in FDA Consumer I'm getting this from says "there has been no indication that coumarin itself produces this blood-thinning effect in humans." I'm not so sure. Another FDA Consumer article about the dangers of herbal tea told of a young woman who drank large amounts of a home-brew tea containing coumarin and suffered abnormal menstrual bleeding. So yes, I'd say toxic. On the plus side, it's very reasonably priced. You can get a quart for only a few bucks.
Most of the vanilla sold in Mexico is synthetic, though it doesn't all have coumarin in it. Telltale signs of the fake stuff: clear, or dark and murky (the real stuff is amber colored and translucent), low alcohol content (genuine vanilla extract contains at least 35% ethyl alcohol), laughably low price. Pure Mexican vanilla is available, but you're better off getting it in this country. Warning: it won't be cheap.
 
Alright, I broke down and made this this weekend also.

Cheesefood, out of lazyness. May I ask how many oz's of lactose, 1cup is? My LHBS sells lactose in 4oz packages. I am too lazy to have messure how many much of a cup the 4oz package I used during the boil was. I'll need to figure out how much to buy come bottling time.

Thanks
 
I think we're still back to square one because he wasn't specific about ounces by volume or weight. The short answer is that I think he still needs 2 packages, 4 oz by weight each, to make a cup by volume.
 
I think that will get me close enough. Now I need to descide if I want to use all 8oz of lactose at bottling or not. I am not going to use the full 4oz of vanilla at bottling, I don't want it quite that sweet. So I don't know if I want to use the full 8oz of lactose then either. Maybe I'll go 2oz vanilla, and 4oz lactose at bottling.

I can say, I am excited to see what all of the hype is about. I also know why this is called boom-boom ale now. My fremination went crazy about 24 hours into it. I am sure glad I had a blow-off tube attached.
 
So I've had mine in primary for about 4 days now, and activity's down to about 5 bubbles per minute. I have to say, didn't get the explosive fermentation everyone's reporting, but I used a different yeast so that may be why. The krausen looked kind of funny, more moist and frothy, as if the lactose really did produce a milky cream effect. Also, after the krausen fell, the crap left stuck to the upper walls of the carboy also has a moist milky look to the edges. Interesting effect, anyone else see this in theirs? I'd like to secondary this weekend, but my other carboy's still got that dang old ale in it (brewed 9-15) and while the airlock's still, it still has little bubbles rising in the brew and a thin layer of foam, so it obviously would be a bad idea to attempt to bottle it :) I'd thought about just racking the new stuff into my bottling bucket, scrubbing the carboy, then racking it back in, but a.) I'm afraid I'd aerate it too much, and b.) I'd wind up in a 6.5 gal carboy for secondary, major headspace :) Anyone have any suggestions? I'd really thought the old ale would have calmed down enough by now to bottle and put away for aging, but apparently I was wrong....
 
MattD said:
So I've had mine in primary for about 4 days now, and activity's down to about 5 bubbles per minute. I have to say, didn't get the explosive fermentation everyone's reporting, but I used a different yeast so that may be why. The krausen looked kind of funny, more moist and frothy, as if the lactose really did produce a milky cream effect. Also, after the krausen fell, the crap left stuck to the upper walls of the carboy also has a moist milky look to the edges. Interesting effect, anyone else see this in theirs? I'd like to secondary this weekend, but my other carboy's still got that dang old ale in it (brewed 9-15) and while the airlock's still, it still has little bubbles rising in the brew and a thin layer of foam, so it obviously would be a bad idea to attempt to bottle it :) I'd thought about just racking the new stuff into my bottling bucket, scrubbing the carboy, then racking it back in, but a.) I'm afraid I'd aerate it too much, and b.) I'd wind up in a 6.5 gal carboy for secondary, major headspace :) Anyone have any suggestions? I'd really thought the old ale would have calmed down enough by now to bottle and put away for aging, but apparently I was wrong....

Don't worry about the 6.5 gallon 2ndary, a lot of us use them. I do. As for the cups/oz, I really don't know the weight. I used volume, and it was probably about 4 oz. It's been a while and my head has been fuzzy many times since then.
 
I had to tell you I tried the receipe and it turned out awesome!!! Thanks for helping make my first batch a great experience!!
 
Here's a question... Any one you chaps that just made this care to send a sample bottle to a pal?
 
usc_cop said:
Here's a question... Any one you chaps that just made this care to send a sample bottle to a pal?

I've had mine in primary for 2 weeks this saturday, and I'm trying to decide whether to secondary it or go ahead and bottle.. I'll go check in a little bit to see how clear it is already. If I go ahead and bottle I'd be happy to make a trade. If I secondary it.... I'd still be happy to trade, it'd just take a few more weeks :)
 
Hey cheesefood this recipe sounds awesome I am about to try it myself. It will be my 4th brew and I am going to do an all extract version. First off I will start by saying I am a very impatient person although home brewing is making me more patient. Now to my question ...Can I keg this beer within 4 weeks of brewing it then artificially carbonate???? I see some people are waiting a long time and I am sure that makes it taste much better but I would like to have it ready by mid to late NOV. What do you think??????
 
If you were going to do this recipe all extract no partial mashing what would the layout be??? please i was dropped on my head when i was a baby twice!
 
I'd highly advise not using as much vanilla as the recipe calls for in the priming. It's way too much for me.
 
This is an "extract recipe" but you're steeping specialty grains. There's no mashing involved. To steep your specialty grains, get a grain bag, get the water up to 150-160 degrees and steep away for however long the recipe calls for.. I think in this case it's 45 minutes. Just watch your thermometer and cut/raise the heat as the thermometer rises and falls.

Hope this helps.
 
no joke it was the second time my mom dropped me and she cracked her brand new rolex. She told me she was really upset... about her rolex.:cross:
 
Well, it is time. I've read this entire thread (parts a few times!) and I've hopefully absorbed enough to tweak this recipe to me particular tastes. I wanted a bit more in the hops department, and a medium-sweet vanilla presence. I'm totaling 2.5 oz vanilla, one bean and an ounce of "vanilla" cognac. I'm doing the boil tonight after work, I've had the yeast starter going for 2 days now and I just cleared out a carboy yesterday - ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!! :rockin:

SO....this is my adaptation of the mighty Cheesefood Carmel Cream Ale - let me know what you think:

1 lb. 60L Carmel Malt - steep @ 154 for 45 minutes, sparge @ 170, up to boil
flameout, add 3# Extra Light Muntons DME, 3# Wheat DME, boil

1 oz. Cascade Plugs (6.7%) for 60 minutes
1 oz. Saaz Plugs (3.7%) @ 20 minutes left
4 oz. Lactose @ 15 left
1 tsp. Irish Moss @ 10 left
.5 oz. Tettnang pellets (4.1%) @ 5 left

1 split and scraped vanilla bean @ flameout
1.5 oz. real vanilla extract @ flameout

I'm using White Labs WLP029 German Ale/Kolsh yeast on a wheat DME starter.

At kegging:

1 cup lactose
1 oz. real vanilla extract
1 oz. vanilla bean-induced cognac (3 weeks, 2 beans)

If this comes out anywhere near as good as you all have made it sound, I should be sittin' pretty in a month or two!!!!! Thanks Cheese..... :mug:
 
Fiery Sword said:
Well, it is time. I've read this entire thread (parts a few times!) and I've hopefully absorbed enough to tweak this recipe to me particular tastes. I wanted a bit more in the hops department, and a medium-sweet vanilla presence. I'm totaling 2.5 oz vanilla, one bean and an ounce of "vanilla" cognac. I'm doing the boil tonight after work, I've had the yeast starter going for 2 days now and I just cleared out a carboy yesterday - ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!! :rockin:

SO....this is my adaptation of the mighty Cheesefood Carmel Cream Ale - let me know what you think:

1 split and scraped vanilla bean @ flameout
1.5 oz. real vanilla extract @ flameout
...
1 oz. real vanilla extract
1 oz. vanilla bean-induced cognac (3 weeks, 2 beans)

It's going to have a strong vanilla flavor, but not like that's a bad thing. GOod luck! Cheers!
 
Cheesefood said:
It's going to have a strong vanilla flavor, but not like that's a bad thing. GOod luck! Cheers!

I was not sure how much "vanilla" flavor I'd get from either the bean (lots?) and the cognac (some?). If I don't want it so strong, maybe I should ditch the pure vanilla at kegging? Or maybe shave an once off the total pure vanilla (half/half)?

I'm not opposed to a "strong" vanilla flavor, I just don't want to go overboard!
 
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