Can you Brew It recipe for Stone Arrogant Bastard

[Paulasaurus]

So would I be correct in following the recipe tweaks on the first page if I'm going to take a shot at this?

Check post #127 for a link to the latest podcast where they voted it cloned. Post #131 has the latest cloned recipe.

 

[Apendecto]

Check post #127 for a link to the latest podcast where they voted it cloned. Post #131 has the latest cloned recipe.

#56 has the latest cloned recipe from the show.

 

[Paulasaurus]

#56 has the latest cloned recipe from the show.

Whoops. Correct. Post #56

 

[SourHopHead]

Brewing this today. Adjusted the recipe for my Chinook at 10% AA.

6.5 Gallons at 16.39P.

 

[BeerPressure]

Just kegged my SECOND attempt at this after tweaking. I added a tad bit more special B this time and the color is still not as dark as the real thing.

 

[wolverinebrewer]

I brewed this up on 2-6 and will bottle it next week. I have a question about entering this in competition. I know it goes into category 23, but would I have to specify an "underlying beer style" and would I need to specify the "experimental nature" of it? I'm not sure what either one of these mean pertaining to this brew.

I guess what I'm asking is, has anyone ever entered this, and what other info did you provide on your entry form?

Thanks.

 

[bigbeergeek]

Bottled my Arrogant last night. Tasted great right out of the bucket. Might be a touch on the light side color wise and will surely have a brighter hop aroma as I added an extra 1 oz. of Chinook at flameout but very impressed with it thus far. I'll update when I crack the first bottle.

Here are some other pictures from my Arrogant brew session.

Nice refrac shot!:rockin:

 

[bigbeergeek]

So to those of you who have brewed the recipe as per the re-brew episode, is the consensus not enough flavor/aroma hops and the color not being dark enough? How far could we take crystal B (12%? 15%?) in the pursuit of that deep red hue before we mess up this beer? And how about the hopping compared to a good fresh bottle?

 

[Tarheel4985]

So to those of you who have brewed the recipe as per the re-brew episode, is the consensus not enough flavor/aroma hops and the color not being dark enough? How far could we take crystal B (12%? 15%?) in the pursuit of that deep red hue before we mess up this beer? And how about the hopping compared to a good fresh bottle?

When we brewed it we dry-hopped 5 gallons and left the other 5 alone. We tapped the dry-hopped first and it had more of the aroma and hop profile of a fresh bottle of the original. The non dry-hopped was too heavy on the malty sweetness so we ended up dry-hopping the second 5 gallons as well.

If I were to rebrew it, I would up the Special B or perhaps add a little bit of Crystal 80L-120L, just for color. Mine was definitely missing the red hue that the original has. I would also add more Chinook at flame out as others have mentioned. I don't think the original is dry-hopped but I'm not positive. Just my thoughts...

 

[SourHopHead]

So to those of you who have brewed the recipe as per the re-brew episode, is the consensus not enough flavor/aroma hops and the color not being dark enough? How far could we take crystal B (12%? 15%?) in the pursuit of that deep red hue before we mess up this beer? And how about the hopping compared to a good fresh bottle?

I chatted with Tasty the other day and he is still tweaking this recipe. He still thinks it needs one more specialty malt. He did not give me the changes but is still planning on having it at the NHC for everyone to try it.

One week of fermentation tomorrow. When I brewed the Union Jack clone I did the WP hop addition and let them sit for 20-30 min before I sent it through the chiller. I let the 0m hops sit for 20 min on the AB clone, but I do not know how it turned out yet. Tried my best to keep the fermentation temp between 70-71.

 

[rwmiscik]

i just brewed this and plan on leaving it in primary for 2 weeks and then racking it to secondary onto 2 ounces of oak chips. I cant wait im really excited for this brew its going to be delicious.

 

[Paulasaurus]

Finally got a chance to do a side by side with my Arrogant clone.

Really wish I would have used whirfloc as mine came out cloudy but aside from that was very close in color. Hop aroma was very close but the bittering was a bit off. Bittering on my clone seemed to smooth over throughout while the true Arrogant really jumped out as you tasted it. Malt profile seemed to be fairly close but the real Arrogant was definitely the cleaner of the two.

When I get around to brewing it again i'll repost.

 

[bigbeergeek]

Finally got a chance to do a side by side with my Arrogant clone.

Really wish I would have used whirfloc as mine came out cloudy but aside from that was very close in color. Hop aroma was very close but the bittering was a bit off. Bittering on my clone seemed to smooth over throughout while the true Arrogant really jumped out as you tasted it. Malt profile seemed to be fairly close but the real Arrogant was definitely the cleaner of the two.

When I get around to brewing it again i'll repost.

Based on your tasting notes, I think some of us might be able to stand on your shoulders. What was your final recipie (including the extra dumped in at flameout)?

Thanks!

 

[Paulasaurus]

Suppose that would help.

12.42 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 90.00 %
1.38 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 10.00 %
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (85 min)
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (45 min)
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (15 min)
1.30 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (0 min)
Yeast- Safale US-04

I doubled the batch for 10 gallons.

2 weeks and 3 days in primary and bottled in 22 oz bottles.

 

[devilishprune]

I just bottled my version about an hour ago. I'll be sure to post in a few weeks about how it turned out (preferably in a side by side!).

 

[bigbeergeek]

Suppose that would help.

12.42 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 90.00 %
1.38 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 10.00 %
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (85 min)
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (45 min)
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (15 min)
1.30 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (0 min)
Yeast- Safale US-04

I doubled the batch for 10 gallons.

2 weeks and 3 days in primary and bottled in 22 oz bottles.

You liked the aromatics in your batch? What about dry hopping? Perhaps upping the flameout addition to 1.5 oz? (I do love me some chinook aroma) You mentioned the bitterness in your brew wasn't as intense as the commercial bottle... do you think upping the 85 minute addition to 1.0 would do it? Up the 45 as well? Or raise the 85 minute beyond an ounce? Sorry for all the questions, but like many others I'd like to get as close to the commercial product (or even exceed it in terms of fresh chinook aroma) as possible, and your notes have already been very helpful. Looks like you nailed the color without raising the special B, for example.

 

[Paulasaurus]

You liked the aromatics in your batch? What about dry hopping? Perhaps upping the flameout addition to 1.5 oz? (I do love me some chinook aroma) You mentioned the bitterness in your brew wasn't as intense as the commercial bottle... do you think upping the 85 minute addition to 1.0 would do it? Up the 45 as well? Or raise the 85 minute beyond an ounce? Sorry for all the questions, but like many others I'd like to get as close to the commercial product (or even exceed it in terms of fresh chinook aroma) as possible, and your notes have already been very helpful. Looks like you nailed the color without raising the special B, for example.

If I were to brew it again i'd use whirfloc to help clean it up a bit, I'd start by raising the 45 min addition to 1 oz, and maybe try a 1 oz dry hop to get that arrogant hop flavor. Really having a hard time putting my finger on it though, you taste the real Arrogant and its just well Arrogant and my clone just didn't have that Arrogant character. Bright and clean come to mind when thinking about what my Arrogant F@cker as I like to call it was missing.

Good luck!

 

[maida7]

If I were to brew it again i'd use whirfloc to help clean it up a bit, I'd start by raising the 45 min addition to 1 oz, and maybe try a 1 oz dry hop to get that arrogant hop flavor. Really having a hard time putting my finger on it though, you taste the real Arrogant and its just well Arrogant and my clone just didn't have that Arrogant character. Bright and clean come to mind when thinking about what my Arrogant F@cker as I like to call it was missing.

Good luck!

I'm gonna guess that the yeast is the difference. s-04 is not the same as the WLP007 that Stone uses. 04 is more estery and malt forward. 007 is cleaner and drier.

 

[Paulasaurus]

I'm gonna guess that the yeast is the difference. s-04 is not the same as the WLP007 that Stone uses. 04 is more estery and malt forward. 007 is cleaner and drier.

Hmmmm, that could be. I've only used the s-04 a few times now so i'm not familiar with all its traits yet. Cleaner and drier sounds like what my Arrogant was missing.

I'll add that to the changes in the rebrew. Thanks!

 

[bigbeergeek]

Thanks Paulasaurus! I've got a vial of 007 in the fridge at the moment, so looks like I've got the yeast covered. I'll toss in my usual whirfloc tab, but this batch was probably going to be my first in which I use gelatin finings. I want this baby to look filtered! I think I'll up the 45 and 15 minute additions to 1 ounce apiece. I might dry hop... or I might save some of my chinook for another day! Thanks again for the feedback Paul -- I'll happily post when I brew and again when I do a side-by-side.

 

[maida7]

I've got a vial of 007 in the fridge at the moment, so looks like I've got the yeast covered.

It would be best to make a starter for that yeast.

 

[bigbeergeek]

It would be best to make a starter for that yeast.

I'll be brewing 10 gallons of AB, so I forsee an epic starter on my stirplate. Probably a two-phase starter, 1/2 gallon apiece. Gotta be huge!

 

[maida7]

I'll be brewing 10 gallons of AB, so I forsee an epic starter on my stirplate. Probably a two-phase starter, 1/2 gallon apiece. Gotta be huge!

Right on!

 

[FishinDave07]

Look what i found:

Arrogant Bastard Clone as per Stone

 

[EricCSU]

Look what i found:

Arrogant Bastard Clone as per Stone

Although your information may provide some insight into recipe design, it falls short of a "clone". That information is far from a complete recipe. Just to clarify.

Eric

 

[bigbeergeek]

Although your information may provide some insight into recipe design, it falls short of a "clone". That information is far from a complete recipe. Just to clarify.

Eric

...But it sheds new light on the "clone" that the CYBI crew came up with: a second (possibly bittering) hop variety is used in AB. Stone is usually so tight lipped about this beer, this "revelation" is significant to many of us who love this beer and want to brew it. Columbus and warrior come to mind...

 

[FishinDave07]

Although your information may provide some insight into recipe design, it falls short of a "clone". That information is far from a complete recipe. Just to clarify.

Eric

Maybe i should've rephrased the link. Bottom line is that According to one of Stone's Reps Arrogant Bastard uses 2 grains and 2 hops.

 

[Dog House Brew]

WLP002? I thought Stone used WLP007

 

[bigbeergeek]

WLP002? I thought Stone used WLP007

Most would agree with you -- for some reason 002 keeps popping up as the "Stone house strain," but it doesn't match the attenuation/body of their beers. I think it all spawns from the Dec. 2006 issue of BYO magazine which reported that 002 is the house strain. Bizarre.

 

[FishinDave07]

WLP002? I thought Stone used WLP007

I had thought the same as well. WLP002 is what the rep told us and the yeast used in their Stone Imperial Russian Stout and 12th Anniversary Bitter Chocolate Oatmeal Stout clone recipe. Maybe they are telling us different things on purpose?