Budwieser brewing is hard.

[1977Brewer]

I generalized fermentables under grain.

You generalized incorrectly. Table sugar is a fermentable. Would you drink a beer that is 75% table sugar?

 

[Grossy]

Rice, that's one of the ingredients I have never brewed with before.

Is this the reason it's hard to brew bad beer?

 

[Natdavis777]

You generalized incorrectly. Table sugar is a fermentable. Would you drink a beer that is 75% table sugar?

In many breweries that use hops, grains, water, and yeast in their logo, I dont see corn sugar, flaked maize, oatmeal, table sugar, honey, etc... Does that mean that they cannot use brew cream ales, oatmeal stouts, etc? I mean, those are fermentables used in beer, arent they?

 

[PLOVE]

Farmhouse. We call them farmhouse.

LMAO. Yup - brewing quality lagers is pretty difficult. the lighter the fewer mistakes we can get away with - right?

This made me laugh because I'm now convinced that any "failed" lager can be sold as farmhouse or a Saison. Seriously makes me question whether the "style" is just an accident to begin with. . .

 

[Magnus314]

I brew an excellent american lager. It's very consistent, too.

But it's not hard, so maybe they're doing something wrong...

 

[Natdavis777]

Rice, that's one of the ingredients I have never brewed with before.

Is this the reason it's hard to brew bad beer?

Ive brewed with rice. A cream ale. Brewed it a few times. Very good beer. Does it instantly make it bad that I brewed with that ingredient? If cream ales arent your style, then yeah, I wouldnt expect you to like it. But it doesnt mean its a bad beer.

 

[iijakii]

So many hipsters here that hate lagers. I see it all the time. Whatever makes you feel superior. Real men only drink sweet hoppy beers of course. That said I do not care for Bud, but man do I love a good pilsner or cream ale.

 

[Grossy]

Ive brewed with rice. A cream ale. Brewed it a few times. Very good beer. Does it instantly make it bad that I brewed with that ingredient? If cream ales arent your style, then yeah, I wouldnt expect you to like it. But it doesnt mean its a bad beer.

Thanks for the clarification, we have ruled out rice as the culprit for Budweiser consistently brewing bad beer the hard way.

 

[lschiavo]

If you drink whilst pregnant, your child has a 50% chance of coming out as Bruce Banner... DC cant risk that...

Thank god I was never pregnant because I ALWAYS drank when I was never pregnant [and operating heavy machinery]. ALWAYS was wasted while operating heavy machinery...that was my rule.

So why are ingredients not listed on beer labels?

 

[Zuljin]

Now I want to brew a good old American lager. A beer that is just a beer. That's what I want to drink right now, but all I have is weird stuff. Chocolate stouts, cherry beers, Rauchbier and still some of that Confederate beer. Need to bring that to work. It should be carbed by Saturday.

 

[Natdavis777]

Thanks for the clarification, we have ruled out rice as the culprit for Budweiser consistently brewing bad beer the hard way.

Quote me where I acknowledged that they brewed "the hard way"... I didnt. And I dont think they do. I said I "respect" that they can produce as much as they can with consistency. Thats it. If you think it tastes like crap, good for you, dont drink it. I even said their beer wasnt anything to write home about. Just said it was "to style" and even on that statement, I noted that American Light Lagers and American lagers didnt have much flavor to begin with.

 

[Natdavis777]

Thank god I was never pregnant because I ALWAYS drank when I was never pregnant [and operating heavy machinery]. ALWAYS was wasted while operating heavy machinery...that was my rule.

So why are ingredients not listed on beer labels?

Heavy machinery is better to operate wasted because it moves at about the same speed you process... Its like an equilibrium...

As for ingredients, I couldnt tell you why they are listed.

 

[FireManDan]

I'm pretty sure that all you opinionated folk that absolutely hate AB for their productions of awesome American Lagers couldn't even come close to turning out anything comparable, not with out calling it your beloved "Farmhouse or sours" (and Que the piss in the bottle jokes).
Fact of the matter is they do make beer, whether you like it or not, beer is beer. Don't get me wrong I absolutely hate those guys, but I'll admit I hate them for stupid reasons. Reason that I think many home brewers won't admit to. I hate them because I'm jealous, I'm jealous because years and years ago some dude made a great batch of beer. Obviously it was good. With this batch he blew up and took over the world made a bagillion dollars (if you don't know a "bagillion" is a lot of money) and was able to start buying a lot of cool **** to make more and more and more beers. I'm jealous of the bagllion dollars they made which allowed them to hire scientists and really nice shiny equipment. I'm jealous that they were able to take their home brew and magnify it by like a gabillion x2 (which if you didn't know is a lot of beer x2). I like Bud especially on a hot day, do I like all the beers that AB puts out hell no, just like I don't like all the beers that Sierra Nevada puts out yadda yadda yadda. Look you haters are going to hate but whats sad is that empowers people and you might be totally oblivious to it. So pipe down brew a lager, and do some soul searching. LOL that was fun. Oh I have two Budweiser clones lagering as I type.:rockin:

 

[lschiavo]

Heavy machinery is better to operate wasted because it moves at about the same speed you process... Its like an equilibrium...

As for ingredients, I couldnt tell you why they are listed.

I KNOW! but you shouldn't do that for safety's sake right?

No beer that I know of lists ingredients. Every other food item I can think of does. Maybe there is some kind of connection between alchohol and gubbmint? Who would'a thought?

Instead of pissin and moaning about how bad BMC is, let's all get together and force all to disclose their ingredients. Good beer will shine in that arangement.

 

[Natdavis777]

I KNOW! but you shouldn't do that for safety's sake right?

No beer that I know of lists ingredients. Every other food item I can think of does. Maybe there is some kind of connection between alchohol and gubbmint? Who would'a thought?

Instead of pissin and moaning about how bad BMC is, let's all get together and force all to disclose their ingredients. Good beer will shine in that arangement.

I got a Lull stuck pretty good once after the snow melted after a heavy night of drinking... Swear it was sunk almost to the top of the wheels! Got it out though, and the hopper to the second floor. Talk about a win!

Id agree on the ingredients part. This reminds me, Rogue typically lists their ingredients on their bombers (not amounts though). Maybe its up to the breweries, but def not required.

 

[lschiavo]

I got a Lull stuck pretty good once after the snow melted after a heavy night of drinking... Swear it was sunk almost to the top of the wheels! Got it out though, and the hopper to the second floor. Talk about a win!

Id agree on the ingredients part. This reminds me, Rogue typically lists their ingredients on their bombers (not amounts though). Maybe its up to the breweries, but def not required.

Whoa, you sound like a drunk yooper. I can totally relate to that man. Did ya have to break out da swampers?


Say how bout' HBT petitions the gubbmint to inforce ingredient labling on beers eh? Should be easy right? And it will be in place within about 30 years.

 

[Natdavis777]

Whoa, you sound like a drunk yooper. I can totally relate to that man. Did ya have to break out da swampers?


Say how bout' HBT petitions the gubbmint to inforce ingredient labling on beers eh? Should be easy right? And it will be in place within about 30 years.

A lot of luck and a little rockin'... Foreman wasnt too happy as there was no operator on the site at the time... Oh well.

I think a HBT petition would make some noise... Your reaching for 30 years though... You must also want 5% raises and Social Security:cross:

 

[orangehero]

The costs associated with ingredient disclosure regulations would only hurt the smallest breweries.

Making a lager with minimal flavor is only impossible if you're still having trouble fermenting a Mr. Beer kit. There's nothing particularly good about it. Yeah ok for some people there's a time and place for mega industrial minimally flavored swill because the tv says light beer is manly. If you like that that's fine, but there's nothing to praise about it. Although huge sums are spent to convince you otherwise, bland mediocrity is not a virtue.

 

[lschiavo]

A lot of luck and a little rockin'... Foreman wasnt too happy as there was no operator on the site at the time... Oh well.

I think a HBT petition would make some noise... Your reaching for 30 years though... You must also want 5% raises and Social Security:cross:

I do not expect any Social Security even though I have paid in my entire career. I am opposed to raises. They drive inflation. Every raise you get says "**** you parent that have saved money for retirement and die a poor **** that had dreams". Well, that is a bit extreme but true.

The costs associated with ingredient disclosure regulations would only hurt the smallest breweries.

Making a lager with minimal flavor is only impossible if you're still having trouble fermenting a Mr. Beer kit. There's nothing particularly good about it. Yeah ok for some people there's a time and place for mega industrial minimally flavored swill because the tv says light beer is manly. If you like that that's fine, but there's nothing to praise about it.

How much do breweries spend on packaging and labeling? Small or big is irrelevant. I cannot believe there is an extra cost associated with fully disclosing ingredients. It is simply not required for some reason. I do not trust big business. Do you?

 

[Magnus314]

The reason Budweiser is so "consistent" is that they brew it concentrated and then water it back to the right % alcohol. If I recall, they brew it at 7%-ish and cut it down to 5%.

That way they make more beer from a smaller fermenter, and if one batch is more or less efficient or there's some difference in grain or whatever from batch to batch it doesn't make as big difference in the final product.

 

[Natdavis777]

The reason Budweiser is so "consistent" is that they brew it concentrated and then water it back to the right % alcohol. If I recall, they brew it at 7%-ish and cut it down to 5%.

That way they make more beer from a smaller fermenter, and if one batch is more or less efficient or there's some difference in grain or whatever from batch to batch it doesn't make as big difference in the final product.

Its exactly what they do. They do a 2-3 hour rest around 148 I believe, then dilute the final product.

Does it mean its a bad product? No. From a business standpoint, its on point. Getting the most bang for your buck. Capitalizing on investment.

 

[rupert130]

Distilleries also dilute their product at packaging. Is all whiskey not marked "barrel strength" bad?

 

[schmoe]

I am sitting in a MillerCoors brewery right now!!! And hard? Only as hard as any other industrial process. Some of the beers they don't release to the public are actually pretty good.

 

[Homercidal]

I don't brew sours.

Not on purpose anyway...

 

[Newsman]

I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me, than, well, almost anything else.

 

[Calichusetts]

 

[Merleti]

WOW. Bottom line for me we know how to make great beer. Mmm having our friends com over for a brew is so much fun. Brewing it for a living mmm not tried that. Maybe one day.

 

[aeviaanah]

Remember the frogs? "Bud" "wise" "er". This is why I started drinking bud and can't stop

 

[electrolight]

No beer that I know of lists ingredients.

Pause.

Jester King does...

Carry on.

 

[electrolight]

The costs associated with ingredient disclosure regulations would only hurt the smallest breweries.

In what way would adding a tiny section that says ingredients, and then listing them, increase costs so much that it "hurts" any brewery?

Here, I'll cover a ton of beers,

Ingredients: Water, Malted Barley, Hops, Yeast.

I think the only ones who need to worry are those that use corn syrup instead of malt. Or some other cheaper way to bump up the sugar content... and In that case, I'd like them to worry...