lukabrazi
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Make EdWorts Apfelwein. It's cheap and from what I have read will work as a type of liquid panty solvent.
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Brewin06111
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+1 to this... last batch cost me about 25 bucks.. I am always on the lookout for applejuice on sale.. 1) because my kids like it and 2) because Aplfelwein is easy to make and cheap.
lukabrazi
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40 cents for Montrachet, 2$ for dextrose, and $9.90 for 5 gallons of Best Value 100% apple juice. It ends up being like 11-12% apv. I hope that I didn't mess up by getting the cheapest juice I could find but Motts was almost 2$ more per gallon. It is definitely worth a try.
mitch171
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One thing I would like to comment on. I know "frat" parties are thought of as being full of people that have no tastes and just want to get drunk.
I don't know about the OP's situation, but my fraternity liked to drink and they liked good beer. Every time I brew a batch I think about how much I wished that I had been able to brew at school. We ended up drinking awful beer because that is what we could afford. 15 gal of crappy relatively low alcohol beer costs way more than a higher gravity 5 gal delicious home brew. I know my brothers would have loved the better beer and loved to party with it. Both could create the same drunkenness if that is what they were looking for.
Many parties would consist of a "party" keg and a brothers only keg. The first being the cheapest thing we could find, and one being something like Yuengling. Now I know Yuengling isn't the best stuff on earth but it was at least better than Koch's Golden Anniversary.
I guess my point is not all frat guys have not culture and only want to get drunk. A really good cheaply made home brew may have it's place in the right fraternity.
I do agree with trying to go AG and stick with primarily base malts. Maybe look at a Blonde Ale or Belgian PA and make sure to use some Belgian Candy to boost OG for cheap.
Try out this recipe I made, it is for a Belgian Pumpkin ale. Just take out the spice and pumpkin if you want. If you take out the spice I would maybe add a bit more hops. It is really tasty and was cheap to brew.
http://www.beertools.com/html/recipe.php?view=9216
Also just try making something in beer tools yourself. I do find their anticipated price to brew is between $10-$15 higher than it actually costs me. For a cheaper beer skip the liquid yeast and just use some kind of dry.
I don't know about the OP's situation, but my fraternity liked to drink and they liked good beer. Every time I brew a batch I think about how much I wished that I had been able to brew at school. We ended up drinking awful beer because that is what we could afford. 15 gal of crappy relatively low alcohol beer costs way more than a higher gravity 5 gal delicious home brew. I know my brothers would have loved the better beer and loved to party with it. Both could create the same drunkenness if that is what they were looking for.
Many parties would consist of a "party" keg and a brothers only keg. The first being the cheapest thing we could find, and one being something like Yuengling. Now I know Yuengling isn't the best stuff on earth but it was at least better than Koch's Golden Anniversary.
I guess my point is not all frat guys have not culture and only want to get drunk. A really good cheaply made home brew may have it's place in the right fraternity.
I do agree with trying to go AG and stick with primarily base malts. Maybe look at a Blonde Ale or Belgian PA and make sure to use some Belgian Candy to boost OG for cheap.
Try out this recipe I made, it is for a Belgian Pumpkin ale. Just take out the spice and pumpkin if you want. If you take out the spice I would maybe add a bit more hops. It is really tasty and was cheap to brew.
http://www.beertools.com/html/recipe.php?view=9216
Also just try making something in beer tools yourself. I do find their anticipated price to brew is between $10-$15 higher than it actually costs me. For a cheaper beer skip the liquid yeast and just use some kind of dry.
I don't see why some people are ripping on him and calling his party beer hooch. So what if he wants to make cheap beer in large quantities to give out a college party. In my opinion four great possibilities will come of him doing this. 1...He's not giving money to BMC. 2. More people will have homebrew and understand it and maybe even come to like craft beers. 3...He may recruit new homebrewers by peaking their interest in what he is doing. 4...The most important, he wants to share his creations and feel good about it. This will most likely make it a lifetime hobby for him.
Stop being pompous those of you who are antagonizing. This hobby is for everyone.
Stop being pompous those of you who are antagonizing. This hobby is for everyone.
Exactly. I feel like all the arrogant people never had any fun in college. Some of us live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford nice things all the time. I know how college is man and if I get these kegs from my friend in time I'm going to throw a New Years party and brew up 3 batches to fill 2 1/2 barrels. Everyone has loved my previous Kentucky Common beers, from Bud Light drinkers to beer snobs. The one that is fermenting now is completely to style with less ingredients (you get crazy high efficiency with a 24hr mash - adds a very slight sourness). It should be 4.3-4.5%. Here is the breakdown of how much it would cost me, buying base malt in bulk from the place The Pol mentioned, along with hops from hopsdirect. The rest is from the LHBS. I hope it turns out well. I'll post how it is in my signature link if you're interested. I'm not sure there is a cheaper recipe with the same abv, however, I can't yet comment on the taste. I'm pretty optimistic about it though.
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This is my first thought when I saw this thread. I have so much of this stuff on hand (its all been for personal consumption) that I need to stop making it. Its so dang cheap and easy though. Plus, it's delicious. I wonder what the upper limit for dextrose additions is though, can we really push this past 12%?
Bob
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Wow. I guess things have really changed since I was in college. Waaaaaaay back then - late 1990s - we didn't ask about the source or quality of the alcoholic bevvies at parties we attended. We only cared about 1. Is it cheap? and 2. How schnockered can we get?
Let me respond to your points in order. 1. Who cares? Ooo, big bad wolf. 2. and 3. I really think laughable. In all my college days, I can't remember a single kegger where we stood around and discussed anything other than "Dude, dig that hottie over there" and "Gimme another beer". In non-party conditions, yeah, I'd share a bottle of something interesting with someone I knew would appreciate it. But not standing over a keg in someone's basement or backyard. And hell, if you do manage to recruit a new brewer in that environment, it'll be someone who wants to make booze cheaply, who'll get bored and frustrated with it, and fall away from the hobby just as quickly as he was attracted. I've seen it happen. 4. I got no problems with, other than I'd rather share my libations with people whose primary motivation is appreciation, not inebriation.
That's not pompous. That's a statement of what I believe to be fact: In the first place I'd like the OP to not waste his time, and in the second you're missing the point. Yes, this hobby is for everyone, including those who want to brew cheap, tasteless swill. This board, however, is not; this board is for people who want to lovingly hand-craft flavorful, exciting brews.
Cheers,
Bob
lukabrazi
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Edwort mentions somewhere that he has added an extra pound of dextrose but everyone cursed him the next day due to drunkeness/hangovers. People would be hammered before they knew what him them which was usually our goal in college.
A gentle suggestion - tread lightly when criticizing someone's beer drinking (and brewing) choices. People drink many different kinds of beers, including BMC lagers and homebrew that is similar to BMC (BierMuncher's Cream of 3 Crops, for example). Others enjoy big burly Belgian Trippels. No need to criticize anyone for those choices.
I could read some of the posts above to say that my brewing choices are not worthy of this board. I don't think that's true.
I could read some of the posts above to say that my brewing choices are not worthy of this board. I don't think that's true.
mitch171
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I guess college has really changed, some parties are as you described. Most are not. At my college at least there is some culture and appreciation. The parties still end in getting "schnockered" but the goal is having fun. Drinking something that tastes good helps have a good time rather than choking down something we don't really like.
hal2814
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Then why all the Apfelwein posts? I like cider as much as the next guy but we're not recommending it because of the quality. We talk about it because it's cheap, easy, and drinkable. And that sounds exactly like what the OP is looking for here just in a beer instead of a cider.
We're all looking for different things here. Time, money, and quality are important to all of us, but in differing amounts. You can't have it all. The OP is merely asking how he might save time and money in exchange for a possible reduction in quality. There's nothing wrong with that. Your brew days may be too full to fool around with such a concept (I know mine are), but the pursuit itself is admirable.
Back to the OP, there's a Coors Light clone thread popping around here somewhere. The following recipe was posted there:
You'll have to scale up but that will give you a good starting point. Except for the rice syrup, this is probably as cheap as you'll get with extract. Since you're not trying to clone, you could probably go all extract and further save some money.
Why are the BMCish recipes on here so popular then? Sure at parties people are looking to get drunk, but if it tastes better than some BMC crap, they think that's awesome. I take my homebrew to parties all the time, even keggers. Most people that taste it would rather have it than some BMC crap. I have talked to lots of people interested in brewing GOOD beer having tasted mine. You'd be surprised at the number of people who are interested in better beer, or even know about and purchase microbrews, even to drink at parties. Micros are much popular now than they were 10 years ago. Hell a couple weeks ago my friends even asked me if I could brew up 2 kegs for their Halloween party. I've talked to so many people about micros and homebrewing at parties. I don't think your "facts" hold any truth.
flyangler18
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Because they are still flavorful gateway beers, IMO. Cream ale and blonde ale, e.g. have introduced many a palate to more interesting beers.
I positively despise 1A and 1B, though I always recognize the skill necessary to produce a well-crafted example of those styles.
Exactly. While they may not be "flavorful and exciting", they are a step up from BMC and people, including college students at parties, will realize there is better beer and become interested.
I love how it's ok for someone to ask about cheap recipes to brew for BMC crowds at weddings and stuff, but as soon as someone asks the same for a college party, the **** hits the fan and people get all arrogant.
GrizlyGarou
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I'd think that somebody local would have jumped all over teaching them how to brew bigger batches. They buy all their own equipment and ingredients, you think up some half-crazy recipe and then you get a bunch of college kids to try out your new brew. No worries about it not getting finished off, just a bunch of people that will undoubtedly make a nasty face if it's really nasty, or look like it tastes good if it's good.
It's not like giving someone an honest answer to their question on the internet is going to make or break someone's existence. College kids will get drunk one way or another...
flyangler18
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Speaking only for myself, I certainly don't get arrogant - but I'm also quick to point out that it's just not economically wise respective to equipment cost to set out to clone Coors Light, for example, for the majority of brewers that ask that question. Classic American Pilsner, Cream Ale, Kentucky Common - all great ideas. Those have great general appeal, interesting enough for those 'in the know' and unobtrusive enough for those still educating their palates.
justflow1983
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I, for one, applaud the OP. Anything you produce is going to be better than the 20 cubes of Beast Light we used to serve at parties. And for the first 5 beers, most of the people there will actually care that it is better beer, I remember a bunch of us going to one party in college specifically because the first keg was going to be Saranac Pale Ale.
If you can serve a Kentucky common (for example) over Keystones, I don't see why anyone should flame you. Check out SMaSH beers, it shouldn't be too expensive to buy 50lbs of Pale malt and a couple of pounds of Cascade and brew up something delicious and servable and cheap. You're offering better beer to your guests, and saving yourself some money.
Cheers mate (i'm getting Irish I guess)
If you can serve a Kentucky common (for example) over Keystones, I don't see why anyone should flame you. Check out SMaSH beers, it shouldn't be too expensive to buy 50lbs of Pale malt and a couple of pounds of Cascade and brew up something delicious and servable and cheap. You're offering better beer to your guests, and saving yourself some money.
Cheers mate (i'm getting Irish I guess)
I have followed these steps and have plenty of supplies to brew at any given time but I find that even buying in bulk you can't really go by the original purchase price because there will inevitably be losses, maybe old grain or hops that can't be used. I have a recipe coming up that calls for chocolate malt, I have some but I found myself buying more because I wanted the briess brand and some from the UK, but this is the hobby and the fun of it I guess.
Scooby_Brew
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Also, I think it helps when you do a series of styles in which you can use the same hops and yeast.
Example: buy Cascade and Centennial in bulk, re-use US-05, and create recipes with it for Pale Ale, American Wheat, Cream Ale, Amber, American Brown, IPA etc. etc.
Scooby_Brew
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Also, I think it helps when you do a series of styles in which you can use the same hops and yeast.
Example: buy Cascade and Centennial in bulk, re-use US-05, and create recipes with it for Pale Ale, American Wheat, Cream Ale, Amber, American Brown, IPA etc. etc.
Richabt
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Obviously you have a respect the the good stuff, that said, I also understand why you want a cheaper option for parties etc.
I like many of the comments and sugestions offered. I too will vouce for the Apfelwien option. It can be really cheap and really good, and it does have the panty disolver component that every frat boy loves.
Though its absolutley best when you let it age a while, for your purposes, you can create a very drinkable apfelwien in less then two to three weeks.
I was also a frat boy once, and at the time I probably didn't have near the respect for a really quality beer as you do now, so kudos to you. :rockin:
I like many of the comments and sugestions offered. I too will vouce for the Apfelwien option. It can be really cheap and really good, and it does have the panty disolver component that every frat boy loves.
Though its absolutley best when you let it age a while, for your purposes, you can create a very drinkable apfelwien in less then two to three weeks.
I was also a frat boy once, and at the time I probably didn't have near the respect for a really quality beer as you do now, so kudos to you. :rockin:
springer
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I think its all a matter of wording. Cheap usually means swill whereas inexpensive means brewing something good but inexpensively
Now the Op can brew some inexpensive beer by doing a lot that has been mentioned here. But in all reality does a collage kid have the room to store few hundred pounds of grain and a few pounds of hops or even have the money for the initial layout ? Even when you buy a sack from Country they hit ya with some pretty good shipping so no real savings there. When you buy "bulk" from online HBS you end up paying a lot more than from Country Malt and the likes . So the price goes up sometimes double.
Then the OP needs the equipment for AG I know I have some coin involved in my set up and I buy used or sale items and I am not even where I want to be.
The way I would handle it is I would brew up some good beers and serve that to people who like them, offer a little Dixie cup at first if they like it all is good if not then then not much waste. But you wont have people filling up red pints and just tossing them after a sip.No matter how inexpensive it is if it get thrown out then what good was it?
I do several parties a year with my homebrew and I always make sure there is BMC ,SNIPA or Sams on tap. I am providing 5 gallons of English mild and 5 gallons Octoberfest at a Halloween Wedding this Saturday for a good friend . They will have an open bar and other beers on tap..... Be realistic not everyone enjoys a flavorful beer most want an ice cold easy to drink light bodied beer...
And yes Apfelwein can be made inexpensively but I am sorry I don't see a frat party serving it as the main drink.
Now the Op can brew some inexpensive beer by doing a lot that has been mentioned here. But in all reality does a collage kid have the room to store few hundred pounds of grain and a few pounds of hops or even have the money for the initial layout ? Even when you buy a sack from Country they hit ya with some pretty good shipping so no real savings there. When you buy "bulk" from online HBS you end up paying a lot more than from Country Malt and the likes . So the price goes up sometimes double.
Then the OP needs the equipment for AG I know I have some coin involved in my set up and I buy used or sale items and I am not even where I want to be.
The way I would handle it is I would brew up some good beers and serve that to people who like them, offer a little Dixie cup at first if they like it all is good if not then then not much waste. But you wont have people filling up red pints and just tossing them after a sip.No matter how inexpensive it is if it get thrown out then what good was it?
I do several parties a year with my homebrew and I always make sure there is BMC ,SNIPA or Sams on tap. I am providing 5 gallons of English mild and 5 gallons Octoberfest at a Halloween Wedding this Saturday for a good friend . They will have an open bar and other beers on tap..... Be realistic not everyone enjoys a flavorful beer most want an ice cold easy to drink light bodied beer...
And yes Apfelwein can be made inexpensively but I am sorry I don't see a frat party serving it as the main drink.
RGH
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I always try to have a "crap" beer kegged for the inlaws or my folks... or the neighbors to drink....now
Well lets hope they dont read this
RGH
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Tread lightly when you speak ill of the Apfelwein... And it is not a cider or a hooch. It is a clone of an authentic German beverage that this site was fortunate to have shared with by the great EdWort. The inexpensive price of the construction of it is just a bonus.:rockin:
I can understand why you wouldnt want to blow all kinds of money on making a beer that people wont appreciate. If you search through the site you could find something. Sometimes making a sample one or two gallon batch and checking for the proper amount of blandness is all that is needed before you find the right economical recipe for the non-beernerd folk. If you do find/come up with one let me know. I wouldnt mind knowing how it comes out.
Scooby_Brew
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That's why you brew a 5 gal batch of APA, then add 2.5 gal. of water and vuala, you have... 7.5 gal of Cream Ale. Cheap, easy, light bodied beer.
agusus
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Well, it is debatable / matter of opinion whether apfelwein is quality tasting.
I agree with the other guy who said the primary selling points of apfelwein are that it is cheap, easy to make, and high in alcohol yet still accessible for people who aren't used to 10% ABV beers.
My apfelwein is 3 months old now and I still don't like it. I know they say to wait till 6 months (and I will), but I somehow doubt it is going to magically change from gross to delicious at some point in time in the next 3 months. To me it just tastes way bitter and acidic. And the aroma isn't great either.
It is tasty when I cut it with apple cider - 1 part cider, 2 or 3 parts apfelwein - but when you have to cut a drink to make it taste good that's a pretty good sign it's not good.
Anyway, I'll wait till 6 months to make my final decision but so far apfelwein isn't impressing me. Just because it's an "authentic German beverage" doesn't mean it's good - if you read the wikipedia page on it, even many of the Germans cut it with mixers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apfelwein .
Brewin06111
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Not to further derail this thread but...
My first batch of Apfelwein is still in the primary where it will sit another 2 months.. I did try Apfelwein at a party on Saturday night that was aged over a year. I found it to be good but at the same time don't think I'll ever be at the point where I'll session them (My head hurts even thinking about that). For me it will be a nice change of pace when I want something but may not be in the mood for a beer... (GASP) I am looking forward to tasting mine every couple months to see how it evolves. I wouldn't say it's gross and think everyone should agree that everyone has different tastes....It's all about the aging...It seems some people expect it to be awesome out of the box..
My first batch of Apfelwein is still in the primary where it will sit another 2 months.. I did try Apfelwein at a party on Saturday night that was aged over a year. I found it to be good but at the same time don't think I'll ever be at the point where I'll session them (My head hurts even thinking about that). For me it will be a nice change of pace when I want something but may not be in the mood for a beer... (GASP) I am looking forward to tasting mine every couple months to see how it evolves. I wouldn't say it's gross and think everyone should agree that everyone has different tastes....It's all about the aging...It seems some people expect it to be awesome out of the box..
Ketchepillar
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However, I do find that BMC likes to punch me repeatedly in the tastebuds and doesn't stop kicking all the way down.
springer
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I .. I ... Am speechless
You sound like my Son in Law " hey pop you only had something called Lagavulin 16 down there don't taste too bad with diet coke."
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