Beer =/= fat

Homebrew Talk - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Forum

Help Support Homebrew Talk - Beer, Wine, Mead, & Cider Brewing Discussion Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

FireBrewer

Assistant Brewer
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
1,959
Reaction score
14
Location
Fallston
The other day at work one of my coworkers was lamenting about beer and how she only drinks Michelob Ultra because "those other beers will make you fat". This was after woofing down a Big Mac meal! With a Diet Coke of course! :rolleyes:

Honestly, did the BudMillerCoors start this "beer belly" association to promote it's line of sh¡tty flavorless low-calorie beer?

It drives me freakin' crazy the way people think in terms of weight. Half of 'em can't understand why they're gaining weight. Here's a clue:

calories in < calories out = weight loss
calories in > calories out = weight gain

It works like your checkbook:

money in < money out = debt
money in > money out = surplus

God forbid they should EXERCISE!!!!! Holy ****! What a concept!

And of course all the naysayers eat nothing but low-calorie sawdust food right? No? You mean McDonalds and Burger King are still in business? And they're continually pushing the envelope of double/triple this and that, to keep pace with our ever-expanding waist size (which is caused by BEER!). Let's not forget the Big Kids Meal, gotta make our little bastards full too before they start drinking beer and get FAT!

And let's not forget Chili's Awesome Blossom, weighing in at a hefty 2,700 calories. But they have Michelob Ultra on tap.

Look at this crap. What other nation in the world does this? Competitive eating? Consume a bunch of hot dogs?! Big deal! The porn industry's been doing that for years!

The world leaders of beer consumption is reportedly the Czech, yet they're ranked 10th in obesity. Guess who's #1?

Fattest States 2008: The CalorieLab United States of Obesity Rankings (Obesity by State)

Mississippi ranked first nationally in obesity. But Nevada ranked first in beer consumption per capita at 44 gallons! (Kudos, Nevadans! :mug:) HOW CAN THIS BE?

It's simple...IT AIN'T THE ****ING BEER!!! :mad:

Life's too short to drink ****ty beer. Skip the extra large value meal with a Diet Coke, run your ass around the block and enjoy a GOOD BEER.

[/rant]
 
So that's why Costco only seems to sell XXL or XXXL pants, and really fatty, high calorie meals at their cafeteria.

I have to admit though. That giant Poutine really does taste good... though after 3 fries I feel guilty.

I know what you mean firebrewer. People who are drinking ultra large sugary cola's tell me beer makes you fat (actually they ty to claim that beer is full of fat).

I really wish they were allowed to put the calories and nutritional stats on beer cans.
 
Content: 4.6
Length: 4.5
Dedication: 4.9
Coherency: 4.8
Grammer: 4.9

The well written factual information, logically explained, along with judicious use of profanity and a substantial amount of links makes for an overall excellent rant. This rant has my wholehearted support.:mug:
 
It's simple...IT AIN'T THE ****ING BEER!!! :mad:

Life's too short to drink ****ty beer. Skip the extra large value meal with a Diet Coke, run your ass around the block and enjoy a GOOD BEER.

[/rant]

clapping.gif


Bravo! to the whole damn post!
 
I have to admit though. That giant Poutine really does taste good... though after 3 fries I feel guilty.

Agreed. I do love me some creamed chipped beef!

The well written factual information, logically explained, along with judicious use of profanity and a substantial amount of links makes for an overall excellent rant. This rant has my wholehearted support.

Why thank you! :D :mug:

you are 28, call back in 20 years & talk about fat

LMAO!!! :D

Seabee John said:
Bravo! to the whole damn post!

Thank you, thank you. Try the veal!
 
+10000000

I loathe going to my sister-in-law's for dinner because EVERYTHING they eat is low-fat, non-fat, low-carb, non-filling, cardboard flavored crap and they serve it with a great selection of beer...Mich Ultra, Bud Light, etc.
 
No joke. I eat and drink what I want. I actually cook 90% of the food I make - from scratch. I rarely see what's in the aisles of a supermarket save for pasta and maybe my vice-driver, Wheat Thins :) I make smart decisions. I exercise a lot to be able to do this. Simplicity.

Take a gander at Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food. Great read.
 
Great Post!
I see why the US is so fat every time I go to the local grocery store, unfortunately!
I roll up to the express checkout with my PBR (on sale) and bam, I run into a 400+ lb. wall of blubber. Is she buying fresh vegetables? HELL NO! The fat ***** is buying frozen Texas Toast and a 40 of Colt 45! It gets worse, she sets her purse on top of her tits, no lie, and pulls out a F**KING welfare card.....and she's to effin dumb to swipe it, so the cashier does it for her, then pays cash for the 40!!
And to really piss me off , she waddles to a handicap parking spot next to the door. Boy am I ever stimulated.....
 
As one who is feeling old, is out of shape and over weight I totally agree with this thread. I know why I am the way I am and what I need to do to change it. I'm not about to blame it on anything other than my need to get off my arse and do something. It still cracks me up though when people order super sized meals with a diet drink and how they want to blame fast food for their condition.
 
I don't eat fast food, I drink a lot of beer, and I'm getting fat. Of course it's the beer!

(ok, ok...it's the lack of exercise...I just need to lose this winter coat :D)

A lot of people don't understand diet. Like being a vegetarian or a vegan DOES NOT NECESSARILY make you healthy. Some of the most unhealthy people I know are veggie munchers.
 
Nice. A well thought out and well written rant. And bonus points for it being about fat slobs. Very well done.

However, I will make the remark that beer certainly does contribute to being overweight/unhealthy. Like you mentioned if you burn more calories than you intake, you are going to lose weight. Which is true, and beer can make that difficult. If I go home on a Friday night and drink 6 150 calorie homebrews, it doesn't really matter what I eat during the rest of the day, I am going to be over my calorie limit. Dial that up to 10 homebrews and I would practically have to not eat to stay in a good limit.

I am in good shape. I work out 5 days a week, and usually at least two of those days are two-a-days. I eat very healthy, especially during the week. I should be in tip top shape, and I am in good shape, but I probably have about 10lbs of excess that would not be there if I didnt drink beer. But screw that.
 
Here's a clue:

calories in < calories out = weight loss
calories in > calories out = weight gain

It works like your checkbook:

money in < money out = debt
money in > money out = surplus

Your logical analogy is lost on a super-consumer society that doesn't understand the meaning of debt or surplus. It's not lost on us though!
 
I can't believe how many people overcomplicate fat loss. Here is an except of a writeup that was put together for another forum I post on. This breaks it down quite a bit and still concludes that calories in:calories out is all that matters for fat loss.
With that out of the way, we can turn to the ways in which ethanol can affect our fat loss and muscle building efforts.

They are several.

And, they are not good.

Fat Loss

First, unlike most drugs, ethanol is nutritive -- and densely so. It contains 7.1 calories per gram (1) -- almost twice that of carbohydrates and protein. And, unlike the other nutrients, it does not appear to cause a significant amount of satiety (2). In other words, it typically does not replace calories, it adds to them.

Considering oÂ*ne drink (1 beer, 1 shot, 1 glass of wine) has about 12g of ethanol, this can add up in a hurry. I would not consider it unusual for a 200lb person to put down 20 drinks oÂ*n a good Friday night -- this is about 1600 calories just from the alcohol. That should put to rest the notion that beer makes you fat but hard liquor doesn't (though, the carbohydrates in beer would provide another 500-1000 calories depending oÂ*n if it were light or not). This is pretty much the entire day's calorie allowance for someone trying to lose bodyfat -- and I don't think I have to mention that we often follow this up with a 3 A.M. trip to a fast-food joint or all-you-can-eat buffet where we might get a couple thousand more.

There is some speculation in the literature that ethanol calories do not count, so we need to look at this notion. This idea primarily comes from the fact that epidemiological studies have shown that drinkers have lower Body Mass Indexes (BMI's) than their caloric intake would predict. In men, identical and even lower BMI's, despite calorie intakes several hundred higher than nondrinkers, and in women, it consistently LOWER BMI's despite higher calorie intakes than nondrinkers (3,4,5).

Most of these studies have not looked at actual body composition (3,4,5), thus weight differences could be explained by lower LBM levels -- and this would not be at all surprising considering some of ethanol's effects oÂ*n anabolic hormones which you will find out about later. In addition, both dietary intake and anthropometric measures have merely been self-reported by subjects and obtained by mail by the researchers (6), with the reported daily calorie intake representing oÂ*nly 60-70% of the population's average daily energy needs (7).

However, a more interesting study is oÂ*ne by Addolorato et al. which looked at not oÂ*nly BMI, but body composition (via DEXA) as well, in 34 alcoholics vs. 43 matched controls -- all male (8). The alcoholic group had lower bodyfat levels, but they had identical LBM. oÂ*ne possible explanation is that the alcoholic group had increased levels of extracellular water, as is known to occur in alcoholic cirrhosis (9) and more recently has been found to occur in alcoholics without liver disease (10). It should also be noted that these are chronic alcoholics who could have some metabolic abnormalities that do not pertain to us.

Another study found weight loss with isocaloric substitution of ethanol for carbohydrates as well as less than expected weight gains when ethanol was added to a maintenance diet (11). Though, this could be accounted for to some extent by differences in glycogen storage (unlike carbohydrate, alcohol is not stored as glycogen), as well as muscle (due to hormonal issues -- more oÂ*n this below).

There are also several studies suggesting that alcohol calories do indeed count. Nearly 100 years ago, Atwater and Benedict conducted a series of 13 whole-body calorimetry experiments to test alcohol's nutritive value. They found that the difference in energy given off as heat when alcohol was consumed vs. when it was not was a mere 1% (12). Numerous studies looking at the short-term (less than 4 hours) thermogenic effect of alcohol all found less than 10% dissipation of alcohol energy (13) -- however, it appears that longer studies give a more accurate representation, so we will look at a couple of those.

1.32g/kg (10 drinks for a 200lb person) of alcohol given at meals resulted in a 7% increase in total energy expenditure over 24 hours -- equivalent to 25% of the total alcohol energy (14). Another study using a smaller amount of alcohol (.55g/kg) observed thermogenic dissipation equivalent to oÂ*nly 15% of the total alcohol energy (15).

Two other studies offer strong evidence that alcohol calories count. The first measured body weight and metabolic rate with isocaloric substitution of 75g of alcohol per day for two weeks, finding results identical to that of control (16). A 5 week study using both high (172g/day) and moderate (97g/day) alcohol substitution, along with control, found the fuel value of alcohol to be 95% and 99% of control, respectively, with the high and moderate intakes (17).

Now that we have seen some empirical studies, lets turn to the more basic physiology involved. Ethanol is well digested and absorbed, and losses through breath, sweat, and urine are negligible, so those can be ruled out (1).

At high concentration, the afore mentioned (part 1) Microsomal Ethanol Oxidizing System can come into play -- this results in oxidation of ethanol but with less efficient production of ATP vs. the ADH pathway (18). This hypothesis, however, cannot fully explain the claimed inefficiencies of alcohol metabolism, because the bulk of the energy produced from alcohol is in the final steps of its metabolism -- which is the same in both the MEOS and ADH pathways (3)

Another possibility is a futile cycle involving oxidation of alcohol to aldehyde followed by reduction back to alcohol (19). A few such cycles would completely eliminate net energy gain from alcohol, however, though there is some evidence for the existence of such cycles (20), there is no data oÂ*n its quantitative significance.

Also, as mentioned, ethanol stimulates catecholamine release which could enhance thermogenesis (21). Changes in physical activity is an uninvestigated possibility. There is also data to suggest an interaction between ethanol and leptin, though the consequences of this are yet to be elucidated.

On the other side of the coin, alcohol's metabolic byproduct, acetate, directly suppress fat oxidation (22), as opposed to carbohydrates, whose suppression is mediated by insulin. De novo lipogenesis from ethanol does occur, though it is less than 5% of the total calories -- the rest is oxidized to CO2 and H20 (23). However, as noted in part 1, this oxidation takes priority over fat and carbohydrate oxidation, so with a calorie surplus, it would be expected to result in a shift toward lipogenesis for these substrates.

So, while it should be clear that alcohol calories do indeed count, the notion that ethanol will magically cause fat gain is also mistaken. Basically, as always, it comes down to total caloric intake vs. caloric expenditure -- and ethanol will add about 85 calories per drink to intake, while increasing expenditure by an amount equal to about 15-25% of that value, depending oÂ*n amount ingested.

Muscle Gains

If the caloric content of ethanol has not convinced you that it is not the best thing for body composition, its effects on muscle building hopefully will. Ethanol has been consistently shown to result in sustained, significant decreases in testosterone and GH levels -- as well as to increase cortisol in many studies (Hopefully, and in depth analysis of the importance of these hormones on body composition is not necessary). In addition, it also directly inhibits protein synthesis.

Growth Hormone

The deleterious effects of ethanol on humans and animals is consistent and well-established in both adults and adolescents, with decreases in GH levels, GH mRNA (24), as well as GH releasing factor mRNA levels (25). In adolescent rats, administration of 3g/kg of ethanol, which, due to the faster metabolism of rats produced blood alcohol levels equivalent to only about 4-6 drinks for humans, caused a massive drop in GH levels to just 4-7% of control by the 1.5 hour mark (26) -- Levels were still down 66-86% after 24 hours. In adult rats, the same 3g/kg caused total suppression of GH release, with 2g/kg causing significant but not total suppression (27).

In young adult male humans, 1.5mg/kg disrupted the nocturnal rhythm of GH secretion in all subjects, as well as decreasing overall release by 30% (28). 1g/kg almost completely inhibited the nocturnal rise in growth hormone levels, while a mere .5mg/kg resulted in levels 1/3 that of control (29). Inhibition of hepatic IGF-1 synthesis (30, 31), and the IGF-1/IGFBP-1 ratio (31, 32), a marker of IGF-1 bioavailability, have also been shown to be negatively effected by ethanol.
There is a ton more including some that is purely scientific if anyone is interested enough for me to post it.
 
For the new year, my wife started a lifestyle change diet thing. She began to exercise, eat right, and well... that's all she's done. She's lost 25 lbs since Jan 1st.

I hopped on her bandwagon, since it's easier to plan low fat high nutrition meals when everyone's on board. I then decided to do her exercises with her. I've lost 11 lbs since Jan 15th. And I still drink beer, wine, and a highball of whiskey now and then.

So, all said, what did I change? I added daily exercise to my life. I also eliminated things like pizza and McD's and Wendy's Frosty desserts from my diet, replacing them with homecooked meals that are just balanced. Oh, and we're saving money by not eating at restaurants, like, twice a week.

Though beer may have calories... I agree with the OP. It ain't the beer!

Salute.jpg


Saaaa-lute!
 
While I wholehearteldy support this thread, I will have to agree with the Tonedef's post. Alchohol affects your body in ways other than just simple calorie in / calorie out.

It triggers certain reactions, such as stored body fat and lossed muscle growth, in the body. I personally think that these issues are even more prevalant in some people.

Last year I was at my heaviest, I quit drinking beer (and mostly quit drinking whiskey :D) for a couple of months. I started working out and eating better, cooking almost all of my meals at home. I quickly dropped 20 pounds, and over the course of the next few months dropped almost 50 pounds. I got down to right around 200.

Then, hunting season, the holidays, my return to homebrew... all of these things ganged up and put 25 pounds back on my frame. I am now back on the wagon and just about back to where I was last year.

That being said, I had two of last years Oktoberfests last night, have a fridge that is stocked with homebrew, 5 gallons of stout freshly kegged, and 5 gallons of my first apfelwein on the way:ban:

Its all about finding a balance and making it work for you. I am a realist, and know that I will never quit drinking, or brewing, good beer. Why waste the time to get in shape and prolong my life, if it means that I have to eat crappy food and never enjoy a good beer again?

If I drink a sixer tonight, then I guess its an extra 3 miles on the treadmill tomorrow:rockin:
 
+10000000

I loathe going to my sister-in-law's for dinner because EVERYTHING they eat is low-fat, non-fat, low-carb, non-filling, cardboard flavored crap and they serve it with a great selection of beer...Mich Ultra, Bud Light, etc.

That's funny! I work with people who eat fast food, but then buy light beer, diet coke, diet salad dressing, etc, and then call me things like "Skinny Mini" and say I'm lucky for being able to eat real food and drink real beer.

Well, yes. I work out at least 4 hours a week (usually more) and eat NO junk food. When I was younger, I could eat more and not gain wait, but it's not so easy any more. So, I watch what I eat, exercise, and eat only "real" food. No fake fats, pretend sugars, modified sugars (high fructose corn syrup is a killer), no packaged foods, etc. It's actually easy when you get used to it- and one of the benefits is good health. I have more energy than people in their 20s and 30s, and am much more fit than my 19 year old daughter.

So, yes, ethanol does affect your body. But not nearly as much as a steady diet of Whoppers with Cheese.
 
That's funny! I work with people who eat fast food, but then buy light beer, diet coke, diet salad dressing, etc, and then call me things like "Skinny Mini" and say I'm lucky for being able to eat real food and drink real beer.

Well, yes. I work out at least 4 hours a week (usually more) and eat NO junk food. When I was younger, I could eat more and not gain wait, but it's not so easy any more. So, I watch what I eat, exercise, and eat only "real" food. No fake fats, pretend sugars, modified sugars (high fructose corn syrup is a killer), no packaged foods, etc. It's actually easy when you get used to it- and one of the benefits is good health. I have more energy than people in their 20s and 30s, and am much more fit than my 19 year old daughter.

So, yes, ethanol does affect your body. But not nearly as much as a steady diet of Whoppers with Cheese.

If memory serves, you work in a hospital, right? What do the nurses look like? My almost-ex would aways say that it's no wonder that there are so many fat nurses, because they would graze all day.
What I am trying to say is that nibbling all day hurts just as much. I have found that I can maintain a fairly steady weight simply by not nibbling between meal. I have some fruit, usually an apple or banana at break time, a bowl of cereal for lunch, and then whatever I want for supper. My job usually affords me a decent amount of exercise, along with plenty of distractions to keep my mind off of my stomach if I am hungry. Now that I am laid off, though, that's not so easy.......
 
I dont hardly ever eat breakfast, skip dinner sometimes, and always eat a huge supper, complimented by a few beers when I can.

At work, they want us to consume 10K (yes TEN THOUSAND) calories a day just to keep up. I'm telling you, if I only conusmed 10K calories a day, I'd drop over dead.

All this being said, eating right, working out occasionally & not scarfing junk food or "grazing"..I have been able to maintain my weigh even with the addition of homebrew into my diet.

For the record: 220lbs, 5 foot 9 inches, and last physical I had (in Oct) 6% body fat. What can I say, I'm big boned...
 
I choke down egg beaters for meals 1 and 2 before 10:00 AM, It's usually grilled chicken on greens for a lunch and then some broccoli and shrimp for afternoon snack.

All this while at work. By the time I get home...I'm pretty much done eating. I just down some pretzels or Triscuits with the HB and I'm good for the night.

I am willing to make the sacrifice to imbibe on the magical elixir that is Homebrew whenever I want.
 
Being in the Navy we have pretty strict height/weight tables we have to be within. If not they do some measurements and figure out our body fat percentage. Lately I've been hovering around that borderline of having to do mandatory exercise, etc...

Do I blame it on beer? Hell no. I know that beer is a factor now only because I don't always eat healthy and I don't exercise like I should. If I could motivate myself to hop on the elliptical a couple times a week I'd probably be fine.

I am one to order a Big Mac meal and a Diet Soda, but it has nothing to do with health. I acquired a taste for diet soda years ago and just prefer the flavor.
 
If memory serves, you work in a hospital, right? What do the nurses look like? My almost-ex would aways say that it's no wonder that there are so many fat nurses, because they would graze all day.
What I am trying to say is that nibbling all day hurts just as much. I have found that I can maintain a fairly steady weight simply by not nibbling between meal. I have some fruit, usually an apple or banana at break time, a bowl of cereal for lunch, and then whatever I want for supper. My job usually affords me a decent amount of exercise, along with plenty of distractions to keep my mind off of my stomach if I am hungry. Now that I am laid off, though, that's not so easy.......

Yep- you wouldn't believe the fat unhealthy doctors and nurses I work with- most of whom are half my age. They also tend to smoke and not exercise. It's really a case of "do as I say, not as I do." We've had new health initiatives, like lose weight for cash payments, smoking cessation programs, etc, but I don't think it's had any effect at all.
 
Getting into shape is not easy. I'm trying to modify my diet right now: smaller portions, healthier snacks. However, I hate working out. I absolutely despise using my time to do it. I know I have to get over that to drop weight, but I'd much rather spend my time reading, watching a movie, or playing a game. That's just the person that I am.
 
The only frickin' reason for working out is so I can drink beer and eat ice cream (and bicuits and gravy, and tacos, and lasagna...)
(He says to no one in particular) If you think it takes too long to get skinny, consider how long it took you to get fat! Seriously though, working out makes me feel better and helps keep everything in check (cholesterol, acid reflux, back problems).
and then there's this This is why you're fat.
 
This is why we, as a nation, are fat:
Cream said:
I totally dig this thread. I've had similar discussions with my sister (who has a 4-year finance degree) and she really doesn't get the banking similarity.
 
Pizza burger FTW!

I drink mostly Home brew and Malt liquor. And i've noticed a big difference over the years, since now i'm at the heaviest i've ever weighed.

I dont eat much, but I usually have a 6 pack during the course of a night
 
I totally dig this thread. I've had similar discussions with my sister (who has a 4-year finance degree) and she really doesn't get the banking similarity.

Exercise physiologists would probably say the same, but on the whole it's a fair comparison. Although it is a lot easier to lose money than lose weight. :drunk:
 
I'd be carefully about assuming that people who order diet cokes at the McDs are all stupid. I'm sure a fair number of them are misled about their diet choices, but perhaps some are ordering that because they are diabetic, not watching their calories.

My in-laws are diabetic and my FIL drinks diet pop because real pop would be very bad for him. He's normal weight. My MIL drinks diet for the same reason and she is def overweight.
 
I think of soda as a nice treat once in a while. It's been so long since I've regularly had soda that I can no longer tell whether I like coke or pepsi more.
 
Back
Top