Beer Buyouts

[Wayne1]

Craft Malsters:
Root Shoot Malting
Troubadour Malting
Colorado Malting Company

Skagit Valley Malting

These are all maltsters I have purchased from direct. If you are buying small quantities, you are probably best to buy from a homebrew shop they supply.

Farm to kettle hops
High Wire Hops
The supply fresh hops, dried whole hop flowers and pellets, that they make.
Limited varieties as the most of the current popular hops are proprietary to certain growers.

 

[AZCoolerBrewer]

The first lesson in economics is that there are scarce resources and that those resources have alternate uses.

The most reasonable explanation for your dissatisfaction is not because of ABInbev, but that your preferences no longer line up with the preferences of the market in general.

Hey thanks for the lesson.

When the market in general is manipulated, my dissatisfaction lies with the company that is manipulating it and with the apathy of consumers who did and could be enjoying a better market. It's not just ABInbev, it's also the grocery store chains, the beer distributors and the gom't. Heck I am part of the wheel. I'm not proposing that we have a beer revolt, I want another beer renaissance. When self driving cars come into existence I will only drink micro.

 

[shoengine]

1. High growth companies generally don’t issue dividends.
2. High growth does not necessarily translate to higher profits.
3. Low growth does not necessarily translate into lower profits.
4. Low growth companies generally pay higher dividends.
5. Slow growth does not necessarily translate into less quality. If it does the price adjusts accordingly.

1. It was merely an example of tangible returns. Shall I substitute share price or stock splits?
2. Absolutely correct, see the early years of Amazon, for instance.
3. Show me some good, concrete examples of lowered growth with increased profits.
4. I can't argue that, but once again, dividends was merely an example. It is not in itself the thrust of my argument, but you did devote 2/5 of your rebuttal to it.
5. That is a big "if", and especially on commodities.

 

[brewshki]

I agree with the original list to an extent. I have a less hard time buying beer from Lagunitas or the CBA group (widmer, pyramid, red hook, etc.).

I think that AB is trying to play more games than Heineken. Therefore, I don't mind Lagunitas being fully owned by them. I think that Heineken is actually making an investment and wants Lagunitas to contribute heavily to its success. AB seems to be playing more games in terms of distribution and devaluing craft to a price range of Bud Light and squeezing out the smaller guys. I also think Lagunitas has a good amount of autonomy still and still seems to have that old attitude.

With the CBA group, they are publically traded. I don't know the specifics of the deal that AB had to buy part of them, but their stock is publically traded, so they had a theoretically smaller choice in AB owning them.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

The "squeezing out" of the little guy is a bunch of BS.
If your just starting out as a small no name/nobody brewing company going up against the biggest company in the world....what the hell are you expecting....to walk right in and consider yourself equal...expecting them to open their arms to competition...total nonsense... There is only one way to make it and it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with INbev......BUST YOUR ASS....knock on doors every single day...set up at craft fairs...have a consistent quality product and get your name noticed...The fist beer( I believe) to be bought out by AB was Blue Point Brewing....10 minutes from my house...They were a couple of brewers...and there dog..that made a quality product that started showing up at bars and through TIME and DEDICATION got noticed by AB and sold for an estimated 25 MILLION....INBEV is not killing the craft brew market. Its finding quality craft brewers with a good track record and rewarding them with millions while still making the product available to the masses......and that's a good thing

If InBev or any other big company bought up the little guys to ELIMINATE that beer and only sell BMC that would be one thing...but that's not the case...They buy up little companies...make them rich and continue to sell the same product....I see Zero harm in that.

 

[AZCoolerBrewer]

Sacrifice everything, time, money, effort. Sell out. Sounds like the American dream to me. I'm really not judging. Personally, I'd rather see someone make a great product with longevity that makes them rich over time and they don't have to sell out and they don't have to bust their ass, but rather work hard and are disciplined enough to enjoy family friends and the rewards of their work while they are working. But if the system requires you eff everything but your focus and then retire big, all the more power to those who are able to work the system.

 

[Pkrd]

It's every brewers secret dream to be hated by their most loyal customers!

 

[jensek]

1. It was merely an example of tangible returns. Shall I substitute share price or stock splits?
2. Absolutely correct, see the early years of Amazon, for instance.
3. Show me some good, concrete examples of lowered growth with increased profits.
4. I can't argue that, but once again, dividends was merely an example. It is not in itself the thrust of my argument, but you did devote 2/5 of your rebuttal to it.
5. That is a big "if", and especially on commodities.

1. Shareholders want returns. Either in stock price appreciation or dividends.
3. BUD, ATT and PG
4. Lower growth companies usually pay dividends for a couple of reasons…they don’t need to invest as much in the company, they have a stable earnings growth, to show their financial strength, to attract investors etc…
5. I don’t think you mean commodities. Commodities are generally considered to be raw materials and have little to no differentiation in quality. The above mentioned companies are mature slow growth companies. They are profitable and have made quality products for decades.

 

[jensek]

Hey thanks for the lesson.

When the market in general is manipulated, my dissatisfaction lies with the company that is manipulating it and with the apathy of consumers who did and could be enjoying a better market. It's not just ABInbev, it's also the grocery store chains, the beer distributors and the gom't. Heck I am part of the wheel. I'm not proposing that we have a beer revolt, I want another beer renaissance. When self driving cars come into existence I will only drink micro.

For anyone to get what they want there must be enough people wanting an item and for it to be profitable for someone to provide it. Maybe your preferences are not a popular as you think or maybe you are not offering enough money for what you want. Probably the best thing you can do is work to elect officials that want to promote laws that maximize free trade between brewers/suppliers and consumers.

 

[shoengine]

1. Shareholders want returns. Either in stock price appreciation or dividends.
3. BUD, ATT and PG
4. Lower growth companies usually pay dividends for a couple of reasons…they don’t need to invest as much in the company, they have a stable earnings growth, to show their financial strength, to attract investors etc…
5. I don’t think you mean commodities. Commodities are generally considered to be raw materials and have little to no differentiation in quality. The above mentioned companies are mature slow growth companies. They are profitable and have made quality products for decades.

1. Oh, I thought investing was altruism.
3. I was agreeing with you and offering an example.
4. You dropped your ratio.
5. Good catch.

I'm on vacation. I can do this all weekend.

 

[jensek]

1. Oh, I thought investing was altruism.
3. I was agreeing with you and offering an example.
4. You dropped your ratio.
5. Good catch.

I'm on vacation. I can do this all weekend.

No problem. Let me know if you need any further explanations.