At home breathalyzer....?

[Stagnasty]

I work in a job that requires me to enforce the laws made by the powers that be in this state. That being said, I don't agree with all laws that are written in the Penal/Vehicle code. I did however swear an oath that i would uphold these laws everytime I put my uniform on. In the end its just a job that pays my bills. When I go off duty, I go home, brew beer and throw back a few just like all you guys.

Brew, sorry ifin I was a bit testy, thats kinda a quality us ole goats fall in to. I also, go home ATER my job and toss a few back (a bit mo than few,,,) But I NEVER drive after i open my 4th, (I drink light, 4.5%) because I REALLY don't want to go to jail, OR hurt anyone else. I for one am glad that there are folks like you out there doing YOUR job.

Peace

 

[Chuck_Swillery]

Speaking for Michigan there is no longer an "impaired" limit - its all .08, full driving while intoxicated. As far as the device is concerned as long as it stays accurate (not needing regular calibration) then might as well have one around. FAR better to plann on staying put if you have more than a couple. At least long enough to sober up.

 

[HOP-HEAD]

Who would have guess this of all topics would have grown like it has....

But, since it has, here's a question. Why if so many on here preach that you need to wait 30 minutes for a breathalyzer to be accurate don't the po po ask how long it's been? I mean, if I were to leave a pub after just 1 or 2 and they stop me for a tail light, smell the beer, and ask me to blow, will they oblige my request to wait 30 minutes, or essentially force me to blow knowing full well that the results might be skewed?

 

[Stagnasty]

Who would have guess this of all topics would have grown like it has....

But, since it has, here's a question. Why if so many on here preach that you need to wait 30 minutes for a breathalyzer to be accurate don't the po po ask how long it's been? I mean, if I were to leave a pub after just 1 or 2 and they stop me for a tail light, smell the beer, and ask me to blow, will they oblige my request to wait 30 minutes, or essentially force me to blow knowing full well that the results might be skewed?

The answer to that is simple.... their job is to protect and serve,,,, Protect the States income,, and Serve the Governments agenda !!!

 

[Brewpatrol]

Who would have guess this of all topics would have grown like it has....

But, since it has, here's a question. Why if so many on here preach that you need to wait 30 minutes for a breathalyzer to be accurate don't the po po ask how long it's been? I mean, if I were to leave a pub after just 1 or 2 and they stop me for a tail light, smell the beer, and ask me to blow, will they oblige my request to wait 30 minutes, or essentially force me to blow knowing full well that the results might be skewed?

Its not 30 minutes, its a 15 minute waiting period. We have to observe the subject for a period of no less than 15 minutes. That 15 minutes starts at the first contact and on through the Field Sobriety Tests (FST's). The PAS device is always the last test given to confrim the officers belief, based on his/her training and experience, that the subject is under the influence. The officer will most likely already know what the subjects BAC will be based on specific clues during the FST's. You will never need to ask the officer to wait. Its a shall for him to observe or it will be thrown out in court and the DUI conviction dropped.

 

[Houblon]

The answer to that is simple.... their job is to protect and serve,,,, Protect the States income,, and Serve the Governments agenda !!!

Blah blah blah....

 

[JJDMusic]

Stagnasty, that comment makes it seem as though you are mad at police for during there job. And you are taking out issues and government flaws on the local cop.

Do you yell at the local gas station attendant when gas prices go up?

 

[HOP-HEAD]

Its not 30 minutes, its a 15 minute waiting period. We have to observe the subject for a period of no less than 15 minutes. That 15 minutes starts at the first contact and on through the Field Sobriety Tests (FST's). The PAS device is always the last test given to confrim the officers belief, based on his/her training and experience, that the subject is under the influence. The officer will most likely already know what the subjects BAC will be based on specific clues during the FST's. You will never need to ask the officer to wait. Its a shall for him to observe or it will be thrown out in court and the DUI conviction dropped.

If only they taught the same to overzealous water cops in the summer... they seem to do whatever whenever they want. Been there seen it.... I've got a "go fast" boat that sat un-used all last summer because I was tired of getting pulled over "because I looked like I was drinking..." They made me blow several times. Passed everytime... and was still pulled over agin the next time out for the same thing.... so I apologize for my resentment.

EDIT:
Disclaimer: I mean absolutely no disrespect to any officer on here with these posts. I honestly believe you're one of the (closely behind teachers and the military) most under appreciated, under paid professions out there... it just sucks sometimes that your oath forces you to uphold laws that many of you agree are bogus.... or just a little out of line.

 

[Brewpatrol]

If only they taught the same to overzealous water cops in the summer... they seem to do whatever whenever they want. Been there seen it.... I've got a "go fast" boat that sat un-used all last summer because I was tired of getting pulled over "because I looked like I was drinking..." They made me blow several times. Passed everytime... and was still pulled over agin the next time out for the same thing.... so I apologize for my resentment.

EDIT:
Disclaimer: I mean absolutely no disrespect to any officer on here with these posts. I honestly believe you're one of the (closely behind teachers) most under appreciated, under paid professions out there... it just sucks sometimes that your oath forces you to uphold laws that many of you agree are bogus.... or just a little out of line.

No disrespect taken bro. Like I said, its just a job that pays the bills. Out of the 80 guys/gals at my office, 4 of us are homebrewers and have about half a dozen more that are seriously interested in it due to us bringing in brews for sampling. We could probably start our own brew club.

 

[Stagnasty]

Stagnasty, that comment makes it seem as though you are mad at police for during there job. And you are taking out issues and government flaws on the local cop.

Do you yell at the local gas station attendant when gas prices go up?

What do you think of the SS guys at the Nuremburgh Trial, saying" I was just doing my job" Did that make it right????

Do your job, it pays your bills,,, but that DON"T make it right Homey !!!!

 

[rico567]

...aaaand thread over. Godwin's Law (or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) has been invoked:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

- Mike Godwin

First corollary to Godwin's Law: the Godwinner automatically loses any argument involved.

I think the Nuremberg trials counts. You lose.

 

[Stagnasty]

...aaaand thread over. Godwin's Law (or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) has been invoked:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

- Mike Godwin

First corollary to Godwin's Law: the Godwinner automatically loses any argument involved.

I think the Nuremberg trials counts. You lose.

So you are intitled to your opinion, but I am not???

(and i am not the one that mentions GOD in my signiture)

Okay, I just need to know the rules, okay???

I'm a noob, okay,,,

Just tell me what the rules are okay???

I don't want to offend

 

[JJDMusic]

Nobody should be offended. This is a simple friendly online discussion. I made a point and Stagnasty made a good rebuttal. Touche.

But we need to keep in mind that this is about drunk driving, no wars have been started over drunk driving. Comparing cops and drunk drivers to the Nuremberg Trials is a pretty far stretch.

 

[mordantly]

it aint the same league... it ain't even the same gawd-damned sport!

alcohol costs money. i drove with a .19 for some unconscious reason.. got caught and i gotta pay for it. i drove my 280k miles logged 1994 honda civic sedan 85 mph through a windy mountain and hit the side thanks to famous understeer, and rolled 6 times. i had fun each time. were the sonsequences worth it? hell no! but you gotta try. either accept responsibility for your actions, or hide in a bubble.

 

[MBasile]

I got one of those after reading Tucker Max's book "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell". It is something that should be banned from people buying cause you start having competitions with others.... But is still great for parties for the fun factor but not to be used to determine if people are okay to drive home (hence why I have a small lockbox I lock peoples keys in (and then normally forget where the key to the lockbox goes)

Check out the below: http://shortcovers.com/shortcovers/-HOPE-THEY-SERVE-BEER-IN/sc-Am0unAUfEUKq0N_FGG71nA/page1.html

That was a pretty funny story though

I need to find my copy of that book. It needs to go on the shelf right next to The Complete Joy of Homebrewing

 

[mordantly]

Let me be clear about this night: it was in my top five drunkest nights ever. I was completely schitt-housed. I threw up multiple times, some of them through my nose. JESUS CHRIST, I WOKE UP blowing a .09. That's fawking ridiculous. That device is awful. It is the devil dressed in a transistor.

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[rico567]

So you are intitled to your opinion, but I am not???

(and i am not the one that mentions GOD in my signiture)

Okay, I just need to know the rules, okay???

I'm a noob, okay,,,

Just tell me what the rules are okay???

I don't want to offend

Oh, I'm not offended; just tryin' to lighten things up
......which this thread desperately needs.

A bit of advice (not a rule, and I may make it into Rico's Law): Getting into any kind of substantive argument on an Internet forum is like trying to win the Olympic 100 meter freestyle in a wading pool.

and, aaah.....I didn't mention God, A.E. Housman did. I only quoted him. Pretty good sig, huh?

 

[Stagnasty]

Oh, I'm not offended; just tryin' to lighten things up
......which this thread desperately needs.

A bit of advice (not a rule, and I may make it into Rico's Law): Getting into any kind of substantive argument on an Internet forum is like trying to win the Olympic 100 meter freestyle in a wading pool.

and, aaah.....I didn't mention God, A.E. Housman did. I only quoted him. Pretty good sig, huh?

Point well taken

 

[Houblon]

The answer to that is simple.... their job is to protect and serve,,,, Protect the States income,, and Serve the Governments agenda !!!

Hey Mr stagnasty this is why there are laws about DUI/DWI>
Reports are the driver was DWI.



This happend down the road from my primary home, sad but it will always happen due to azzHoles who feel its ok to drink & drive.
Maybe next time its you or your family.....
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Couple die in Christmas Eve crash


A Port Orange couple was killed Christmas Eve in a car crash on Taylor Road.

Brett Gerken, 56, died at the scene of the crash on Taylor Road at Spruce View Way. His wife, Renee Gerken, 49, was transported to Halifax Health Medical Center and died later, according to Florida Highway Patrol Sgt. Kim Montes.

The Gerkens -- who lived in Spruce Creek Fly-In -- were traveling west on Taylor when a car driven by Christopher T. Price, 35, of South Daytona, traveling east, crossed into the path of the Gerkens, a report states. Brett Gerken, the reported driver, tried to avoid the crash by driving onto the shoulder.

Price, who court records show was arrested on Dec. 20, 1995, in Marion County for DUI manslaughter hit the Gerkens' car, entrapping and killing Brett Gerken. Price was taken to Halifax with serious injuries.

No information was available Friday about Price's condition, but he was charged while in the hospital with issuing worthless checks on Nov. 17 and 18, court records show. He was also arrested in June for resisting a police officer without violence.

The crash remains under investigation by the Florida Highway Patrol and charges are pending, Montes said.
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The Gerkens' only daughter, Courtney, 19, could hardly utter a word Christmas Day except to say she was with family and friends.

"I don't know what to say," she said in a telephone interview as she choked back tears. "They were on their way home from Walmart to get an avocado."

"Their daughter is just devastated," Tokar said. "These were very good people who did everything right in life. It's a tragedy they didn't deserve. Poor Courtney is going to need to be made of steel for the next couple of years."