ultravista
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I cannot get Pliny the Elder here in Las Vegas.
Are there any beers similar, in the same ballpark, as Pliny?
Are there any beers similar, in the same ballpark, as Pliny?
there's a thought in Sonoma County that Hop Stoopid from Lagunitas is a Pliny clone.
How close do you estimate Hop Stoopid is to Pliny? I can get H.S. here.
How close do you estimate Hop Stoopid is to Pliny? I can get H.S. here.
I don't find it similar at all, I like Pliny but I can't get through a bottle of Hop Stoopid. A glance at clone recipes shows two very different beers. Pliny is 2 row, carapils, C40, and dextrose for fermentables with columbus, simcoe, and centennial hops. Hop Stoopid is just 2 row and victory with nugget, hop extract, chinook, and simcoe hops.
I've had the real deal.
I've also done several clones of Pliny using the recipe that is floating around and supposedly originated at Russian River. It's pretty close.
All three batches were excellent. My only change would be to swap out the 90 minute bittering hops and replace it with hopshot to mellow out the beer a little. Mine came out a bit more bitter than the real thing. It was still good.
Another wonderful IIPA that maybe you could find is Lake Erie Monster, by Great Lakes Brewing Company. That's right up there with Pliny, in my humble opinion.
EDIT: I think Enjoy By might be a better beer. If you can find Stone's RuinTen anywhere near you right now, grab some. It's incredible.
Odd; I think Lake Erie Monster is much too sweet (which seems to be a really common failing in IIPAs).
Heresy! Better than Pliny as far as I'm concerned.
I don't mean the hijack this thread but I was wondering if anyone has tried the Pliny kit from Farm House Brewing. I ordered their hop pack and after plugging all of this into Beer Smith I saw the IBU's to be north of 150. I doubt I could extract this much from the hops and my wife loves ultra hoppy beers si i would like to know what anyone might think of the kit or this recipe.
MALT BILL
87% 2-Row Malt
4% Crystal 45 Malt
4% Carapils (Dextrin) Malt
5% Dextrose Sugar
O.G. - 1.070
T.G. - 1.011
BU's - 90-95 (actual/not calculated)
ABV - 8-8.5%
Mash Rest - 151-152
Boil Time - 90 min.
SRM - 7ish
California Ale Yeast
HOP BILL
3.50 oz CTZ 13.90% A.A. 90 min.
.75 oz CTZ 13.90% A.A. 45 min.
1.00 oz Simcoe 12.30% A.A. 30 min.
1.00 oz Centennial 8.00% A.A. 0 min.
2.50 oz Simcoe 12.30% A.A. 0 min.
1.00 oz CTZ 13.90% A.A. Dry Hop (12 to 14 Days Total)
1.00 oz Centennial 9.10% A.A. Dry Hop (12 to 14 Days Total)
1.00 oz Simcoe 12.30% A.A. Dry Hop (12 to 14 Days Total)
.25 oz CTZ 13.90% A.A. Dry Hop (5 days to go in dry hop)
.25 oz Centennial 9.10% A.A. Dry Hop (5 days to go in dry hop)
.25 oz Simcoe 12.30% A.A. Dry Hop (5 days to go in dry hop)
I was literally just looking at the recipe and thought 3.5 oz for 90 mins to be a bit too much on the bitter side, at most i use 1.5oz and it comes out pretty bitter. and 14 days is a long time to leave the hops in, 7 days dry hopping should be the longest you need.
If you and your wife like hoppy beers, try Hoppy Birthday from Alpine brewing. It is amazing!
I will look for Hoppy Birthday.
I was seriously thinking of just using 1.75 oz of the CTZ hops for the bittering addition and just dry hopping for 5-7 days instead of the 14 recommended. I might even just do a 60 min boil unless you think 90 min is absolutely necessary. I am still not sure how long I should let this go in the primary and if a secondary is essential for this brew. What do you think???
I will look for Hoppy Birthday.
I was seriously thinking of just using 1.75 oz of the CTZ hops for the bittering addition and just dry hopping for 5-7 days instead of the 14 recommended. I might even just do a 60 min boil unless you think 90 min is absolutely necessary. I am still not sure how long I should let this go in the primary and if a secondary is essential for this brew. What do you think???
Make it as written, at least the first time. You can shorten the dryhopping (I do), but make it otherwise exactly like the recipe. You will not be disappointed, I promise! My husband LOVES this, and it's it's favorite beer I make. The only thing he doesn't love is the high ABV, as we both like to sip on beer all evening while we do things on the computer, and read, etc. I've made a "Pliny the Toddler" version, and while it was quite good, it wasn't nearly as awesome as the above recipe.
You did the full 3.5oz at 90 min?! im scared about that much bitterness Yooper!
Like I mentioned earlier last I heard RR now uses hop extract for bittering, most say it produces a smoother bitterness when used in longer boils vs. Pellet or whole hops.You did the full 3.5oz at 90 min?! im scared about that much bitterness Yooper!
I have never had the original but I brewed the one on AHA published by Vinnie Cilurzo which looks identical to the one from Farmhouse. It is very tasty. I vote for brewing it as published:
https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf
Make it as written, at least the first time.
Make it as written, at least the first time. You can shorten the dryhopping (I do), but make it otherwise exactly like the recipe. You will not be disappointed, I promise! My husband LOVES this, and it's it's favorite beer I make. The only thing he doesn't love is the high ABV, as we both like to sip on beer all evening while we do things on the computer, and read, etc. I've made a "Pliny the Toddler" version, and while it was quite good, it wasn't nearly as awesome as the above recipe.
Start listening at like 1 hour 48 minutes. At 1 hour 49 be starts talking about hop extract, it's a 90 minute and 45 minute addition.
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