Anything Similar to Pliny the Elder?

[TimmyWit]

I have never had the original but I brewed the one on AHA published by Vinnie Cilurzo which looks identical to the one from Farmhouse. It is very tasty. I vote for brewing it as published:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf

 

[Doctor_M]

You did the full 3.5oz at 90 min?! im scared about that much bitterness Yooper!

Like I mentioned earlier last I heard RR now uses hop extract for bittering, most say it produces a smoother bitterness when used in longer boils vs. Pellet or whole hops.

Long but good podcast Vinnie talks about the old vs New recipe. http://s125483039.onlinehome.us/archive/dwnldarchive01-17-10.mp3

Start listening at like 1 hour 48 minutes. At 1 hour 49 be starts talking about hop extract, it's a 90 minute and 45 minute addition.

I have never had the original but I brewed the one on AHA published by Vinnie Cilurzo which looks identical to the one from Farmhouse. It is very tasty. I vote for brewing it as published:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf

I think it's pretty well known that while that recipe was PTE at one time it is constantly evolving with one of the biggest changes being the use of hop extract in the boil for bittering. There is a reason why RR, Firestone, and The Alchemist all use it in their double IPA's.

 

[Falcon3]

Make it as written, at least the first time.

*Steps onto soapbox*

This. It drives me crazy on the forum, and especially on clone threads, when people say:

"I'm brewing a clone of _____________. I love __________! I'm only going to change the malt bill, the hops, the water, and the yeast, and I'm going to make a great clone! (Wait a month) .......AWWW it didn't turn out very good "

If you're wanting to brew a clone, brew a clone. If you want to experiment, experiment, but PLEASE don't call it a clone.

Brewing is fun, and you can experiment all you like- thats why it's great! Unending possibilities! Tweaking great beers is fun, too. I do it all the time, but let's not call it a clone, please. Maybe call it a _______-inspired beer or something like that....

*Steps off soapbox*

 

[norcalniner]

Pliny the Elder(and Younger) are both wonderful beers. Waiting six hours for the Younger is a great experience and I highly recommend it. You're missing out if you can't have them fresh.

Back to the original post, I was pleasantly surprised by Auburn Alehouse's Isotope PU-240 Imperial IPA. It's verrrry similar in taste, aroma, appearance, etc. 100+ IBUs, right around 8%. Absolutely delicious. I grab a couple bottles anytime I see it.

Unless you live in the Sacramento or Lake Tahoe area in CA, I doubt many will see it. I live three hours from Auburn and my local craft brew store has to get it in one of two ways. A) Drive three hours to purchase it B)Have one of the employee's daughter drop it off at the store when she's returning from visiting family.

It's a great beer.

 

[msa8967]

Make it as written, at least the first time. You can shorten the dryhopping (I do), but make it otherwise exactly like the recipe. You will not be disappointed, I promise! My husband LOVES this, and it's it's favorite beer I make. The only thing he doesn't love is the high ABV, as we both like to sip on beer all evening while we do things on the computer, and read, etc. I've made a "Pliny the Toddler" version, and while it was quite good, it wasn't nearly as awesome as the above recipe.

Should I think about splitting the first hop addition into 2 oz at 90 minutes and 1.5 oz as a first wort hop addition?

 

[TimmyWit]

Start listening at like 1 hour 48 minutes. At 1 hour 49 be starts talking about hop extract, it's a 90 minute and 45 minute addition.

Cool technique. I would like to try it. Do you have a proposal for how much extract to use? Listening to the podcast, they say it's difficult to work with on a homebrew scale because it's like mollasses and it's difficult to measure with it being so concentrated.

They also say that using extract helps with yield and avoiding vegetal off-flavors. I'm not concerned with yield being a homebrewer. Whether I get 5 gallons or 5.25 gallons is not as important as the batch turning out. I haven't noticed the vegetal off flavors with the old recipe. But, I am always open to brewing better beer. If there is a benefit to using this on a homebrew scale and someone has dialed it in, I'm all ears.

I don't think OP needs to overthink it. I can say that the old recipe results in a great beer. It has been brewed by a couple folks in this thread with good results. It is sure to please the hop head.

 

[Doctor_M]

He's a member on this forum and this is his 3rd attempt, I've brewed it twice and it's pretty spot on. http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2013/08/pliny-elder-clone-30.html?m=1

And these guys make using hop extract easier http://www.yakimavalleyhops.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=EXTRACTHopShot10mL