ANOTHER mass shooting?

[5 Is Not Enough]

Fact:
"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

If I was so pissed at society, obviously mentally disturbed, and planned on shooting up, say, a school, but then thought:
"Well, there is that kid in room 322 that packs the S&W 9mm, the chick in 227 w/ the .25 in her purse, the history teacher w/ the twin Kimber .45's on his shoulders and that really quite kid that always hangs out in the hallway with a heavy coat on",
Maybe I'd think twice... However, shooting unarmed fish in a barrel? Self preservation (avoidance of being shot) is a strong influence, whether you're nucking futz or not...

 

[WAID]

How many of these shooters were also motivated by glory? The media ensures they will be glorified for the kind of things they do.

There is a movement at my school to legalize concealed carry on campus, with a bill wandering around the state capital at the moment.


edited to add legalize isn't exactly the right word, their is no law banning it on campus only university policy, which according to the state attorney general is unclear as to whether it is even a legal policy or not.

 

[EdWort]

How many of these shooters were also motivated by glory? The media ensures they will be glorified for the kind of things they do.

+1

The media has blood on its hands for loads of problems thanks to their own agenda and their mantra of "If it bleeds, it leads".

 

[zoebisch01]

And I won't disagree that copy catting is a BIG problem. I remember in the 90's I was in Belize and couldn't understand how there was so many buildings destroyed, the amounts of graffitti and the sounds of gunshots in the night. I asked a native young man about his perception. Basically what he was saying was that there never was gang violence until the country got videos and media from the US in which the gangster lifestyle was glamorized. There will always be violent minds out there, but the media has basically opened the world up to the horrors of the world.

That's one reason why I don't watch the news. I see too much horror without it, and tbh I have grown more and more disenchanted with the 'shoot-em-up' Hollywood theme that has engrossed our people for decades now, to the point where I rarely rent or watch that type of film anymore.

 

[aekdbbop]

HERE.. this will solve it..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

case closed.

 

[Thirdeye]

HERE.. this will solve it..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

case closed.

There ya go! I grew up close to there. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

 

[EdWort]

There ya go! I grew up close to there. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

Sniff, wouldn't it be great if Austin had that law.

 

[Alamo_Beer]

 

[Orfy]

The gun control we have here is just about right.

If you NEED a gun and have no convictions or personal problems then you can have one.
If you want a gun an can show a reason for wanting one. Hunting, sport, collecting you can have one.

You will be checked out, you will need a licence, you will need to have your premises inspected, you will need to have a medical report, you will need a secure gun locker, you will need to register every firearm.

You will not allowed automatic weapons, you will not be allowed hand guns.

You can't just have a gun for the sake of it.
Very Very few crimes are committed with legally owned guns.
You are always going to get the criminal element.

But you will not get the average joe going fruit loop and using the weapon he has to massacre because he probably won't have a firearm.

 

[Thirdeye]

The gun control we have here is just about right.

If you NEED a gun and have no convictions or personal problems then you can have one.
If you want a gun an can show a reason for wanting one. Hunting, sport, collecting you can have one.

You will be checked out, you will need a licence, you will need to have your premises inspected, you will need to have a medical report, you will need a secure gun locker, you will need to register every firearm.

You will not allowed automatic weapons, you will not be allowed hand guns.

You can't just have a gun for the sake of it.
Very Very few crimes are committed with legally owned guns.
You are always going to get the criminal element.

But you will not get the average joe going fruit loop and using the weapon he has to massacre because he probably won't have a firearm.

Yeah, no thanks. Where you live, sir, is not a free country.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
--Ben Franklin

 

[PeteOz77]

The gun control we have here is just about right.

If you NEED a gun and have no convictions or personal problems then you can have one.
If you want a gun an can show a reason for wanting one. Hunting, sport, collecting you can have one.

You will be checked out, you will need a licence, you will need to have your premises inspected, you will need to have a medical report, you will need a secure gun locker, you will need to register every firearm.

You will not allowed automatic weapons, you will not be allowed hand guns.

You can't just have a gun for the sake of it.
Very Very few crimes are committed with legally owned guns.
You are always going to get the criminal element.

But you will not get the average joe going fruit loop and using the weapon he has to massacre because he probably won't have a firearm.

Pretty much exactly the same as we have it here, with the exception of handguns. You are allowed to own them here for target shooting. However, the laws surrounding these "competition" weapons are extremely strict, including things like demanding that you compete in a certain number of events every year etc. I am not condoning these laws, just stating what we have in place.

In the history of the country, I can only recall one mass shooting. A man named Martin Bryant stole some semi-auto weapons from a registered collector, then walked into a tourist village and opened fire, killing 35 people and wounding 37. Chaos ensued, and the government went crazy...

 

[aekdbbop]

Yeah, no thanks. Where you live, sir, is not a free country.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
--Ben Franklin

thats stupid.. i don't agree..

just because there are restrictions, doesn't mean its not a free country..

by that logic.. USA isn't free because we cant drive over 70 on the interstate...

 

[Orfy]

Yeah, no thanks. Where you live, sir, is not a free country.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
--Ben Franklin

I beg to differ. Do you care to elaborate?
Or in other terms would you care to take it outside?

 

[PeteOz77]

I beg to differ. Do you care to elaborate?
Or in other terms would you care to take it outside?

Careful Orfy, he might be "Packing Heat"

 

[Lil' Sparky]

That's right, you wouldn't want to show up to a gunfight with a knife.

 

[Donner]

It's funny to hear all the people claim that all the problems with violence would be solved by removing the guns. I've lived in three states that allow its citizens to carry concealed weapons if they choose to and complete the required background checks and training. I've also lived in a state, oklahoma, where a guy with a grudge filled a Ryder Truck full of ammonia nitrate and diesel fuel and parked it outside the federal building.

Crazy people will always find a way to do the harm that they seek, be in through a gun, a knife, a truck or a subway in London.

 

[Orfy]

Unlesss there were no gunfights.
Then you wouldn't need a knife.

Not meany people die in fist fights.

 

[zbeeblebrox]

being a collector i don't see a problem with having a gun just because you want it.
i have 3 black powder guns that i don't need in any way but i wanted them for the historical context of them. i also have a luger, a Walther p-38 and a Mauser broom-handle pistol. the only reason i have them is because they are historically significant. i have other fire arms for my protection as well as for hunting. and let us not forget that it is plain fun to go target shooting. anyone who hasn't gone shooting before, should, its fun and worth understanding.
and to add an on topic comment.
gun laws should be suited fro the society that makes them. england has what they (hopefully the people) feel they need. America has what the majority of the people feel comfortable with. and i would hope that all democratic states would let the people have a say in what they are comfortable with. that being said there is a reason that our constitution has the second amendment(which is a whole debate in itself). its all about the peoples security. the question is how much they want to provide themselves or how much they want the government to give them. from these shootings it is obvious that the government cant be everywhere at once to protect and save everyone.so why not let us protect ourselves?
rant off

 

[uglygoat]

I beg to differ. Do you care to elaborate?
Or in other terms would you care to take it outside?

word.

men used to settle their disputes with their fists, my old man did, as did his, as did us boys. never had a gun, never felt the need to have one.

 

[Thirdeye]

I beg to differ. Do you care to elaborate?
Or in other terms would you care to take it outside?

No sir. You win.

 

[RichBrewer]

Thirdeye, this needs to stop right now. HBT is not about slamming other countries or the people from them. We are better than that.

 

[uglygoat]

wow... out of line.

orfy's a stand up guy m8....

 

[Rick_R]

Interesting who's getting taken to task, here.

Rick

 

[uglygoat]

it's an interesting topic.


in your eye, who is getting taken to task, and how does it interest you?

the internets makes for some tuff communication at times.

in a public house, the last exchange, with the tea and revolution comments, would have resulted in fisticuffs, not shooting....

 

[PeteOz77]

word.

men used to settle their disputes with their fists, my old man did, as did his, as did us boys. never had a gun, never felt the need to have one.

"God created man, Sam Colt made them equal"

I'm not in any way suggesting that a gun is the best way to settle a dispute, but sometimes it's the ONLY way.

Yes men used to settle disputes with their fists...which meant that if you were nto big enough, strong enough, mean enough, or a good enough fighter, you had no rights.

Imagine if the best fistfighter could go anywhere he wanted and do anything he pleased..kill, rape, steal.. and no one could do anything about it, because they couldn't physically stop him.

He knocks on your door, you open it and he punches you in the face. Then he proceeds to rape your wife and daughter, takes everything you have, and leaves. Things like that used to happen in days of old. Along comes guns. Now, when I have a gun to protect myself, I can be 5'1" tall weigh 98 pounds and be blind in one eye, and STILL stop Mr Badguy from doing what he likes.

Yes, I know it's not the old west, and we now have 911 etc etc. But when the crack addict decides to smash in your door, and do/take/hurt what he wants, calling the police isn't going to stop him/her, but a .45 ACP round anywhere in the body is going to stop them. Hopefully, just the sight of a gun in your hand will be enough to make them run, so no shots need be fired. Just make sure that if you decide to own a gun, and use it in self defense, that you are prepared to pull the trigger if need be, otherwise you might as well be holding a sandwich.

Contrary to the beliefs of some "Might Makes Right" is not acceptable!

 

[Thirdeye]

Thirdeye, this needs to stop right now. HBT is not about slamming other countries or the people from them. We are better than that.

Well, the guy did ask me if I wanted to "take it outside". Was I supposed to say nothing?
Okay, Im done. I dont want this thread getting locked. Ofry, and everyone else offended by my comments, my sincerest apologies.

 

[uglygoat]

how many crack heads do you have busting down your door in canberra? i've lived in a tough, poverty stricken city for the duration of my formative years, and during most of my adulthood, and i've never come across your scenario. nor have i ever needed a fire arm to protect myself or my family, or solve my problems. a few arse kickings have been good enough to take care of our troubles.

i don't advocate gun control, nor do i see a need for myself to have one. live by the sword die by the sword... etc.

edit: i'm not offended by your comments thrideye. just thought they were misplaced. pretty sure orfy was making a point, and not chanllenging you to a fist fight, which he'd likely win.... :OP

 

[Thirdeye]

how many crack heads do you have busting down your door in canberra? i've lived in a tough, poverty stricken city for the duration of my formative years, and during most of my adulthood, and i've never come across your scenario. nor have i ever needed a fire arm to protect myself or my family, or solve my problems. a few arse kickings have been good enough to take care of our troubles.

i don't advocate gun control, nor do i see a need for myself to have one. live by the sword die by the sword... etc.

Well, with all due respect, Ive never needed the fire extinguisher thats under my kitchen sink, but it is there nonetheless.

But of course you have the right to make your own decisions in that regard.

 

[uglygoat]

we see things differently. as you sleep at ease each night, knowing your gun protects you, i sleep as soundly knowing i don't worry about it.

 

[Pugilist]

Personal attacks ruin threads like this thirdeye. If someone differs in opinion, respect their right to their opinion. I am sure Orfy was being tongue in cheek with his "take it outside" comment. As I stated earlier, there are some great ideas/opinions being put up here, lets keep it educational and listen to what the other guy has to say.

People thinking only their line of reasoning is right is probably part of the reason these things are happening.