30a gfci inline cord? Help please.

[nosnhojm20]

Thanks. I'll look into it. From what I've read and been told, a dryer can't run off a gfci breaker though.

I've requested that the order be changed but haven't heard back confirming (and what additional expense it will be, but I only sent the email last night at 9pm). I'll hire an electrician to install a GFCI plug right below the existing box, or a sub panel, whatever their recommendation is.


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[IslandLizard]

Thanks. I'll look into it. From what I've read and been told, a dryer can't run off a gfci breaker though.

I've requested that the order be changed but haven't heard back confirming (and what additional expense it will be, but I only sent the email last night at 9pm). I'll hire an electrician to install a GFCI plug right below the existing box, or a sub panel, whatever their recommendation is.


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That sounds like a plan. I would ask them to put the order on hold until you know what connection you'll have.

Just for reference, 240V (double pole) GFCI breakers that go inside your breaker panel are ridiculously expensive ($120-190!). That's why the spa panel is such a good bargain. Plus it gives you CFGI on the 120V side too.

 

[jeffmeh]

And if you wire the spa panel to plug into your dryer outlet (no drying while brewing), you have a portable GFCI that you can take with you.

 

[IslandLizard]

And if you wire the spa panel to plug into your dryer outlet (no drying while brewing), you have a portable GFCI that you can take with you.

Exactly! :rockin:

Also no brewing while drying (SWMBO's viewpoint)

 

[nosnhojm20]

And if you wire the spa panel to plug into your dryer outlet (no drying while brewing), you have a portable GFCI that you can take with you.

Does that mean that I'd have two plugs next to each other? I'm trying to visualize this (while extraordinarily hungover. Saison finished carbing last night)


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[jeffmeh]

It means that when you want to brew, you unplug the dryer and plug in the spa panel that feeds your control panel. When you want to dry, you unplug the spa panel and plug in the dryer.

 

[jeffmeh]

And you can put the spa panel away somewhere when you are not using it. It does not need to be mounted to anything, permanently or otherwise.

 

[nosnhojm20]

Mind blown. Ha


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[Mark_tries_brewing]

You should hire an electrician but as everyone has stated the spa panel doesn't need to be mounted. You need a NEMA 10-30 male plug to connect to the dryer outlet and if the EBCII can be changed then L14-30P outlet for it to plug into the spa panel. Also 10/2 or 10/3 wire to connect plug to the spa panel. Whoever you hire may or may not have these already on hand, but generally ordering online will get you a better price.

 

[nosnhojm20]

Awesome. Exploring the spa panel idea, waiting on the electrician to get back to me. With the spa panel would I avoid having to get a permit from the city? Or would I need a permit so not to void homeowners insurance?

Side note: Dave at high gravity is freaking awesome. He has replied to my emails promptly and is dealing with all my BS in stride. Major kudos to him.


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[jeffmeh]

If you are having your electrician construct a spa panel that can plug into your dryer outlet, then you are not changing your house wiring, so you would not need a permit. Make sure that he follows the wiring practice in the photo P-J posted. The 3 wire in, 4 wire out configuration is not really common, and some electricians may not wire it that way without "special" instructions.

 

[nosnhojm20]

Thanks! So the spa panel is effectively an inline GFCI. *head spins*


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[IslandLizard]

Thanks! So the spa panel is effectively an inline GFCI. *head spins*


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Actually it's more than that, it's also an inline breaker. And with P-J's wiring diagram it converts 3 wire to 4 wire all at the same time. It's a marvel!

Plan out where you're going to hang your spa panel (a hook on a wall will work fine) and your EBC controller and order the right cord lengths for each.

 

[BadWolfBrewing]

I really wish there was a viable in line gfci option, but the old xerox cords seem to have dried up. The spa panel is, as you say, an inline gfci. A big, heavy, inline gfci.


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[wuttheheeck]

purchase a spa panel. bought mine from HD with a GFI for $50. rated to 50a too so i can upgrade with it

 

[BadWolfBrewing]

What is the circuit you will use rated at? I have a 50a spa panel on a 50a circuit. I had to add a 30a din rail breaker so I wouldn't have to use wire larger than 10 gage in the rest of the build.

 

[sandyeggoxj]

purchase a spa panel. bought mine from HD with a GFI for $50. rated to 50a too so i can upgrade with it

Just remember that the breaker is to protect the wire and that is it. It is not designed to protect your appliance. So side your wire correctly.

 

[brew_ny]

Just remember that the breaker is to protect the wire and that is it. It is not designed to protect your appliance. So side your wire correctly.

so put a fuse in your controller to protect it

all the best

S_M

 

[Homer]

purchase a spa panel. bought mine from HD with a GFI for $50. rated to 50a too so i can upgrade with it

Which one did you buy, and does it have spots for more breakers to be installed?

Thanks

 

[brew_ny]

Which one did you buy, and does it have spots for more breakers to be installed?

Thanks

my 60 amp midwest panel from them did, I believe it was 4 extra slots 2 - 220/240 or 4 - 110/120

the panel was rate for 125 amp I believe have to check when I get home

all the best

S_M

 

[jeffmeh]

The extra breaker slots in the Midwest spa panel are NOT protected by the GFCI breaker (they are in parallel), as far as I know. FYI.

 

[brew_ny]

The extra breaker slots in the Midwest spa panel are NOT protected by the GFCI breaker (they are in parallel), as far as I know. FYI.

they are not GFCI, just gives you the ability to add additional circuits in the panel

 

[nosnhojm20]

What are your suggestions for the wall receptacle? Twist lock? Standard four prong? I know that both will work, just curious if anyone had any feedback. I have no idea for what other use I could use the plug for other than brewing so...yea.


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[Mark_tries_brewing]

I thought you weren't changing the wall outlet?

 

[sandyeggoxj]

Probably just a 14-30r.

 

[wuttheheeck]

Which one did you buy, and does it have spots for more breakers to be installed?

Thanks

I have this one
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-50-Amp-Spa-Panel-BR-Type-BR50SPA/100206043

I only use it for the GFI, breakers are still in my main power box. Just can't brew on laundry day

I added a NEMA receptacle on the bottom of panel and made it "in-line"

Sorry for late reply