07.07.07 Recipe discussion thread

[Brewsmith]

I'm with the Bird on this one. I like my grain bill and don't want to over do it with the hops.

 

[the_bird]

I'm with the Bird on this one. I like my grain bill and don't want to over do it with the hops.

Let's do it the same way and swap. Either your grain bill or the way I slightly modified it (drop the wheat to 0.5, bump the Vienna and Munich to 0.75), just do a 60-minute addition of Northern Brewer, and use the 1272. Then, we'll swap and sample each other's creation on 7/7. What do you say?

 

[Brewsmith]

I'll go with the 0.5 wheat and 0.75 munich and vienna. Swap sounds great. I'll have more homebrew by then and pass that along, too. I'm mashing my grain for my Vienna Lager right now, so if it turns out half way decent, you'll be able to sample my first lager.

 

[Brewsmith]

Is 1272 the same thing as WLP051?

If that's the case, I can easily get WLP-051. My LHBS stocks White Labs. I'd have to order the Wyeast.

 

[Tony]

Yes, the WLP051 California V is supposed to be the same as the Wyeast 1272. I love both strains, but the 1272 has a more prominent and cleaner fruity flavor.

As for the grain bill, it should be fine. The Pale and Vienna will work easy together, since Ive used Vienna a base malt before, and it basically gives you a little bit of a bready flavor, and both are nice and malty, as is the Munich. Ive used those three many times together with much success. The Honey malt will add a bit of a sweet, nutty flavor. And the slight addition of the Belgian Biscuit will only enhance the breadiness of the Vienna.

Since the amounts are low, there will not be one malt overpowering another, and if the hops are kept low, it should have some decent flavor.

 

[Brewsmith]

That's my thoughts exactly. 2-row as the base. Vienna and Munich for malty goodness, honey malt and crystal for a little sweetness, biscuit for a little more nuttiness, and wheat to make it 7 grains.

 

[the_bird]

Excellent!

I'm not sure if this will be next weekend or the following weekend, but it'll be soon. Not sure if the HBS carries either strain (I rarely got he liquid route), so I may have to order yeast.

 

[Brewpastor]

Dude, you started this thing so you should finish it. Draw up a recipe and submit it. If all of us pee-ons don't like it, too bad. I just say figure a way to tie in the 7s. 1.077, 77 IBUs, something like that (or not). As the Brewpastor around these parts I say it is you preordained calling to settle this for us all and bring peace and harmony back to our little community.

 

[Brewsmith]

I'll get to brewing it soon. It'll definately be done in plenty of time to get it to you ready to drink by 7/7/07.

 

[Dude]

Dude, you started this thing so you should finish it. Draw up a recipe and submit it. If all of us pee-ons don't like it, too bad. I just say figure a way to tie in the 7s. 1.077, 77 IBUs, something like that (or not). As the Brewpastor around these parts I say it is you preordained calling to settle this for us all and bring peace and harmony back to our little community.

Nope...no offense, but it was wholly intended to be a group thing. I introduced it wrong--I should have made a poll with a style, then we could have gone from there with subsequent polls as far as ingredients. My bad--I did not intend for it to be so damn confusing.

I'll stick by my thoughts--the grain bill is going to be too much. All of that vienna and honey malt and munich and biscuit will be too overpowering. I made a honey pale ale with a half pound of honey malt and it was way too much. Add all of those other bready adjuncts into it and it will be over the top.

I'm going to brew something fairly simple--and maybe I'll get lucky and a 7 will pop into the equation somewhere. I haven't thought about it much though.

 

[Tony]

Nope...no offense, but it was wholly intended to be a group thing. I introduced it wrong--I should have made a poll with a style, then we could have gone from there with subsequent polls as far as ingredients. My bad--I did not intend for it to be so damn confusing...

So start over and begin again. I like experimenting, so Im brewing what was proposed. No big deal to me if it turns out less than expected. But dont let the idea die. We still have time to make it for 07.07.07. Hell its only 2.19, so theres time.

I followed everyones choice from last year, and my 666 brew didnt turn out right. BUT, the reason why was my fault. I allowed it to ferment out all of the honey, and the damn thing is hot from alcohol. It is still drinkable, just not how I wanted it to be. But, I saved the recipe, and will still mess around with it.

So...I propose that you start setting up the new 07.07.07 like you did last year, with simple instructions on the process and simple polls that are final, and non negotiable. Summer ale is the proposed beer, so go from there. Simply put, I would love to brew a group brew that the majority is going to brew as well.

 

[MA_Brewer]

So this is the bird/Brewsmith's version? I like the idea of this, if not to just keep the idea alive!


Brewsmith's 1.056, SRM 7.0
7.0 lb 2-row
0.5 lb wheat malt
0.75 lb Vienna
0.5 lb Honey malt
0.5 lb Crystal 10L
0.75 lb Munich
0.25 lb Biscuit

1 addition of Northern Brewer for 60 min (enough for about 28IBU)
No other hop additions

Wyeast 1272

brew...ferment...enjoy

 

[the_bird]

I'm going to brew that recipe anyway, but I also like the idea of hitting the reset button and trying to do a REAL 07-07-07 brew as a community.

Dude, you want me to take a crack at leading 07-07-07 Mach II, or you want to just let it die?

 

[Dude]

I'm going to brew that recipe anyway, but I also like the idea of hitting the reset button and trying to do a REAL 07-07-07 brew as a community.

Dude, you want me to take a crack at leading 07-07-07 Mach II, or you want to just let it die?

Just brew what you guys came up with! Obviously a lot of discussion went into it and you guys seem comfortable with what you came up with! I say leave well enough alone and brew it!!!! :rockin:

 

[Torchiest]

So this is the bird/Brewsmith's version? I like the idea of this, if not to just keep the idea alive!


Brewsmith's 1.056, SRM 7.0
7.0 lb 2-row
0.5 lb wheat malt
0.75 lb Vienna
0.5 lb Honey malt
0.5 lb Crystal 10L
0.75 lb Munich
0.25 lb Biscuit

1 addition of Northern Brewer for 60 min (enough for about 28IBU)
No other hop additions

Wyeast 1272

brew...ferment...enjoy

I think I like this recipe pretty well. I'm going to have to substitute an equivalent White Labs variety. Any suggestions?

 

[the_bird]

What do other people think?

Give 07-07-07 another shot, start over fresh, or just brew what we came up with here and forget about making it a community-wide thing?

Do we need another poll?

 

[Torchiest]

IF we were to start over, we've had to carefully consider a better way to break the discussion down into bite-sized pieces, and keep it better organized/structured. Of course, that may very well be impossible.

 

[Dude]

IF we were to start over, we've had to carefully consider a better way to break the discussion down into bite-sized pieces, and keep it better organized/structured. Of course, that may very well be impossible.

If you guys do it, I'd suggest like how BB does it.

A poll for styles. Pick one.

A new poll after that for grains. Pick a few.

A new poll for hops. Pick a few.

Then discuss additions or whatever else in a thread. Still seems like a cluster**** to me...

 

[rdwj]

I think the best way to do it going forward is to have a blind contest where anyone that wants to can submit a recipe and an explanation of why it's a 777 or whatever.

Then, we can list them all and have a vote - you could even break them down into groups and do it tournament style if there are too many.

That way, you're not getting a recipe that's got too many cooks

 

[RichBrewer]

I'm definitely in favor of doing an annual HBT brew. Maybe not the number thing but it could be one we brew each spring. Each recipe should be an original collaboration of our members. (Maybe paying members?)
I like the idea of a poll for the style and possibly one for the malt and hops as well.
Dude, I thought you did a good job with 06.06.06 and that is one "hellava" recipe. I think we can do it again.

 

[the_bird]

I kinda like rdwj's suggestion, as well, but I think it's more interesting as a collaberation. Otherwise, it's just us all submitting our best recipes and making up a cockamanie story about why it's 777. Dude, I know the last one burned you out, so I can take the lead on this tonight (definately starting with a style poll).

 

[RichBrewer]

I'd also like to see it somewhat economical to brew for both extract and AG brewers. Buying 7 different hops and 7 grains gets pricey.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Bird, I agree with you. I got burned out on it and just stopped posting becuase it was so chaotic, it seems like I'm not the only one who got frustruated. If we're going to try again we need to start with some styles/ concepts and then stick with that. I think the problem before was everyone was working in different directions. If you're brave enough to take the lead on this I'm behind you 100%

 

[Yooper]

Bird, I agree with you. I got burned out on it and just stopped posting becuase it was so chaotic, it seems like I'm not the only one who got frustruated. If we're going to try again we need to start with some styles/ concepts and then stick with that. I think the problem before was everyone was working in different directions. If you're brave enough to take the lead on this I'm behind you 100%

Right, that's why I gave up. I'd still do this, if we have some guidelines to follow.

 

[user 574]

As the ground hog cautiously pokes his head out to see if we have a recipe yet. Nope, 6 more weeks of controversy and he's getting pissed.

 

[Rhoobarb]

As the ground hog cautiously pokes his head out to see if we have a recipe yet. Nope, 6 more weeks of controversy and he's getting pissed.

I like that!

Okay, why not make this easy. The big winners seemed to be:

Brewsmith's 1.056, SRM 7.0
7.0 lb 2-row
1.0 lb wheat malt
0.5 lb Vienna
0.5 lb Honey malt
0.5 lb Crystal 10L
0.5 lb Munich
.25 lb Biscuit

texasgeorge's 1.055, SRM 7.0
8.0 lb 2-row
1.0 lb wheat malt
1.0 lb Vienna
1.0 lb Honey Malt
0.5 lb Crystal 10L
0.5 lb Carapils
0.5 lb Victory

The three hops on top (sounds like a Dr. Seuss story) in the poll were
1. Amarillo
2. Cascade
3. Simcoe

Let's pick one, pick a yeast, pick a hop schedule and call it done!

 

[the_bird]

Nah, starting completely clean and fresh. I'll give it a go tonight; Mach II.

 

[Brewpastor]

Is there a style that has been agreed upon?

 

[the_bird]

Cripes, give me a couple hours, man...

(anyone have any styles in particular they'd want to be a part of the poll, other than the obvious APA, IPA, porter/stout, etc?) Seems like this might be a good time to consider stretching a bit.

 

[Torchiest]

Weizenbock! :rockin: