07.07.07 Recipe discussion thread

[Torchiest]

I like that idea. I think the victory/biscuit combo is a little redundant. I mean, aren't they almost the same thing, really?

Northern Brewer might be good. I think the third hop, whatever it is, should be pretty clean, and perhaps not too strong. I like the Willamette idea as well, since it's lower AA would allow for more and earlier additions without too much bitterness.

 

[Brewsmith]

Well if you look at my formulation for the grain, that's why I had Munich and Vienna in there and just a little biscuit.

 

[Brewsmith]

Here's the reminder

Brewsmith's 1.056, SRM 7.0
7.0 lb 2-row
1.0 lb wheat malt
0.5 lb Vienna
0.5 lb Honey malt
0.5 lb Crystal 10L
0.5 lb Munich
0.25 lb Biscuit

I'd be all for cutting the wheat down to 0.5 lb, and how about making the Munich and Vienna 0.75 lb each?

 

[Torchiest]

Excellent point. I forgot about your original version, which was like, five million message ago.

And I like the idea of trimming back the wheat to one half pound. Upping the others, I could go either way.

 

[texasgeorge]

Here's the reminder
I'd be all for cutting the wheat down to 0.5 lb, and how about making the Munich and Vienna 0.75 lb each?

Sounds like a winner. Book it!

 

[the_bird]

Here's the reminder

Brewsmith's 1.056, SRM 7.0
7.0 lb 2-row
1.0 lb wheat malt
0.5 lb Vienna
0.5 lb Honey malt
0.5 lb Crystal 10L
0.5 lb Munich
0.25 lb Biscuit

I'd be all for cutting the wheat down to 0.5 lb, and how about making the Munich and Vienna 0.75 lb each?

I'm liking this grain bill a lot - but I'm really, really hesitating putting many hops in there. I know, I've been outvoted, but this seems like it would be a pretty phenomenal, malty, bready brew with nothing but a 60 minute addition.

 

[Brewsmith]

I kinda agree. Maybe they can be small additions so it will still be reasonable.

 

[Brewsmith]

In the other thread they're pretty much set on the combo grain bill, with the victory and biscuit, and looking like they are going with Sorachi, Simcoe and Amarillo hops. I don't know if there's much time for modification.

 

[the_bird]

In the other thread they're pretty much set on the combo grain bill, with the victory and biscuit, and looking like they are going with Sorachi, Simcoe and Amarillo hops. I don't know if there's much time for modification.

I know, I'm just debating whether to brew it to be part of the community, or not to brew it because I'm thinking it will be way too much on the hops, or to brew it the way that *I* would like because ultimately, it's about the beer. I haven't decided which way I'm going yet, I don't really want it to end up like what seems to have been the result of last year's beer - just too much of everything. I've made beers with too much, and regretted it.

 

[Brewsmith]

I agree. I think the intent was to do a lawnmower beer. That can be accomplished with the seven grains and seven hop additions if done correctly. Anything way over the top won't do it. It might still be a good beer, but not one that fits the original goal.

 

[texasgeorge]

I know, I'm just debating whether to brew it to be part of the community, or not to brew it because I'm thinking it will be way too much on the hops, or to brew it the way that *I* would like because ultimately, it's about the beer. I haven't decided which way I'm going yet, I don't really want it to end up like what seems to have been the result of last year's beer - just too much of everything. I've made beers with too much, and regretted it.

If it's any inspiration to you, I'm doing 2 batches... 1 of whatever the group decides, and then 1 with the same grain bill and a seven-hop blend I suggested very early on in this thread (page 9 or so maybe?).

I say, DO BOTH!!

 

[the_bird]

If it's any inspiration to you, I'm doing 2 batches... 1 of whatever the group decides, and then 1 with the same grain bill and a seven-hop blend I suggested very early on in this thread (page 9 or so maybe?).

I say, DO BOTH!!

That's actually not a half-bad thought.

If I could get my hands on another burner, I could do one big mash, collect ten gallons of wort or so. Split it into two pots.

Or, what might be REALLY nice is to do a parti-glye brew; first runnings go into a big, malty, almost barleywine-style ale, the second runnings into a hoppier, lighter brew more in line with the original intent.

I may need to borrow another propane burner.

 

[Torchiest]

Why not one 60min addition of a 7% alpha acid hop? That would put us around 21IBUs, which is mild enough to let the malts take center stage, and give us a bunch of 7s in the recipe, for the OCD among us.

 

[knipknup]

I compiled the opinions based on all the threads and posted a final decision poll.
Of course, the other option is to start all over...

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=22077

 

[the_bird]

Why not one 60min addition of a 7% alpha acid hop? That would put us around 21IBUs, which is mild enough to let the malts take center stage, and give us a bunch of 7s in the recipe, for the OCD among us.

That has my vote. I've be happy with even more than 21IBUs, I just don't want all the hop flavor from later additions dominating the brew. Trust me, it pains me to write this, I love me some hops - but this grain bill is really nice and I think ought to take center stage.

 

[Torchiest]

Exactly. I really want to make a beer with Simcoe/Amarillo, a combo I haven't tried yet, but I'm beginning to think it just might not be right for this beer. Late additions will give a ton of hop flavor, and straight bitterness could be the best option.

 

[Brewsmith]

Should we start an July 7th revolution?

 

[the_bird]

Hells yeah!

Northern Brewer tends to be around 7% or so; I say, single hop addition, Northern Brewer. What's the OG on this grain bill? Not sure whether 21 IBUs is enough or not...

 

[Brewsmith]

Mine at 75% was 1.056 or so. My system runs closer to about 78%, but we can tweak it if we want to get a lower OG. Did you want to go with the 1lb of wheat and 0.5 Munich and Vienna or the 0.5 lb wheat and 0.75 lb Munich and Vienna?

 

[the_bird]

The latter; 0.50 wheat mostly for head retention, 0.75 each Munich and Vienna for malty goodness.

21 IBUs to 1056 is only is only a BU:GU ratio of 0.375; you think that's high enough? I'm not even really sure what style beer this is at this point.

I'm thinking maybe 28 IBUs, spot-on a 0.5 BU:GU ratio. Single addition. No dryhopping. Malt character, but with just enough bitterness to keep it from being cloying.

 

[the_bird]

Alright, I've proposed what we've discussed in the "final" poll; don't want these thoughts to get lost.

 

[pirate252]

I would really like to participate in this, but I had a question, I get the idea that we are all supposed to brew it on 07/07/07, but what about brewing it earlier so its ready on 07/07/07?

 

[Cheesefood]

I would really like to participate in this, but I had a question, I get the idea that we are all supposed to brew it on 07/07/07, but what about brewing it earlier so its ready on 07/07/07?

No, we're brewing it on 4/7/07 so it's ready on 7/7/07.

 

[pirate252]

O, cool, I was hoping so because that sounds better anyways

 

[MA_Brewer]

So has has this 07.07.07 idea died on the vine??

Is everyone too fed up with indecision?

 

[the_bird]

Well, at the very least I'm glad we had the conversation, because I'm going to brew the "Option 5" brew from the "Final Poll" thread. Basically Brewsmith's grain bill (with a little less wheat and a little more Munich and Vienna), with enough Northern Brewer to get me 28 IBUs in a single addition. I'll probably use the yeast that people were talking about (1272?). This may be what I brew at Kai's place, either this or an Imperial IPA.

 

[Rhoobarb]

So has has this 07.07.07 idea died on the vine??

Is everyone too fed up with indecision?

Yes, inquiring minds want to know: Where are we with this?!

 

[Dude]

Yes, inquiring minds want to know: Where are we with this?!

Well, I'm done with the situation--too much indecision for me. I'm going to do my own version of it--a light honey pale ale.

I never intended it to get so out of hand. It was a cluster**** last year, and even worse this year.

FWIW, I still think the Imperial Hellfire was a damn good beer. My first batch would have been totally awesome with a bit more bitterness in it. Second batch didn't work out. I put it in a keg that I rebuilt and it picked up a bad phenol taste, so I'm letting it sit to try again in a few weeks.

 

[Tony]

Im still planning on brewing it. The grain bill was decided upon, and the hops were finally agreed on by the last few survivors of the threads. And so far those brewing it were leaning towards Wyeast 1272. So, I dont see anymore problems at all.

 

[Dude]

Im still planning on brewing it. The grain bill was decided upon, and the hops were finally agreed on by the last few survivors of the threads. And so far those brewing it were leaning towards Wyeast 1272. So, I dont see anymore problems at all.

FWIW (and I'm certainly NO expert), but I think that grain bill is going to be too muddy. I'm only basing this on my previous experience with some of the proposed malts.

Is 1272 the same thing as WLP051?

 

[Brewsmith]

I'm with the Bird on this one. I like my grain bill and don't want to over do it with the hops.

 

[the_bird]

I'm with the Bird on this one. I like my grain bill and don't want to over do it with the hops.

Let's do it the same way and swap. Either your grain bill or the way I slightly modified it (drop the wheat to 0.5, bump the Vienna and Munich to 0.75), just do a 60-minute addition of Northern Brewer, and use the 1272. Then, we'll swap and sample each other's creation on 7/7. What do you say?

 

[Brewsmith]

I'll go with the 0.5 wheat and 0.75 munich and vienna. Swap sounds great. I'll have more homebrew by then and pass that along, too. I'm mashing my grain for my Vienna Lager right now, so if it turns out half way decent, you'll be able to sample my first lager.

 

[Brewsmith]

Is 1272 the same thing as WLP051?

If that's the case, I can easily get WLP-051. My LHBS stocks White Labs. I'd have to order the Wyeast.

 

[Tony]

Yes, the WLP051 California V is supposed to be the same as the Wyeast 1272. I love both strains, but the 1272 has a more prominent and cleaner fruity flavor.

As for the grain bill, it should be fine. The Pale and Vienna will work easy together, since Ive used Vienna a base malt before, and it basically gives you a little bit of a bready flavor, and both are nice and malty, as is the Munich. Ive used those three many times together with much success. The Honey malt will add a bit of a sweet, nutty flavor. And the slight addition of the Belgian Biscuit will only enhance the breadiness of the Vienna.

Since the amounts are low, there will not be one malt overpowering another, and if the hops are kept low, it should have some decent flavor.

 

[Brewsmith]

That's my thoughts exactly. 2-row as the base. Vienna and Munich for malty goodness, honey malt and crystal for a little sweetness, biscuit for a little more nuttiness, and wheat to make it 7 grains.

 

[the_bird]

Excellent!

I'm not sure if this will be next weekend or the following weekend, but it'll be soon. Not sure if the HBS carries either strain (I rarely got he liquid route), so I may have to order yeast.

 

[Brewpastor]

Dude, you started this thing so you should finish it. Draw up a recipe and submit it. If all of us pee-ons don't like it, too bad. I just say figure a way to tie in the 7s. 1.077, 77 IBUs, something like that (or not). As the Brewpastor around these parts I say it is you preordained calling to settle this for us all and bring peace and harmony back to our little community.

 

[Brewsmith]

I'll get to brewing it soon. It'll definately be done in plenty of time to get it to you ready to drink by 7/7/07.

 

[Dude]

Dude, you started this thing so you should finish it. Draw up a recipe and submit it. If all of us pee-ons don't like it, too bad. I just say figure a way to tie in the 7s. 1.077, 77 IBUs, something like that (or not). As the Brewpastor around these parts I say it is you preordained calling to settle this for us all and bring peace and harmony back to our little community.

Nope...no offense, but it was wholly intended to be a group thing. I introduced it wrong--I should have made a poll with a style, then we could have gone from there with subsequent polls as far as ingredients. My bad--I did not intend for it to be so damn confusing.

I'll stick by my thoughts--the grain bill is going to be too much. All of that vienna and honey malt and munich and biscuit will be too overpowering. I made a honey pale ale with a half pound of honey malt and it was way too much. Add all of those other bready adjuncts into it and it will be over the top.

I'm going to brew something fairly simple--and maybe I'll get lucky and a 7 will pop into the equation somewhere. I haven't thought about it much though.