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What silly things frugal brewers do!

Discussion in 'General Homebrew Discussion' started by Medic_Dave, Jan 12, 2019.

 

  1. #41
    brewcat

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    Build a recipe to use older grains/hops.
     
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  2. #42
    PianoMan

    My Faak it-list is longer then my Bucket list

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    One more thing, brew imperial stouts. Retail they run up to $500/5gal batch. Sours can run $800/5gal batch. But what, HB versions 50-60 bucks? Choose your styles wisely.
     
  3. #43
    bracconiere

    Jolly Alcoholic  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    amen, it's the only one's i can grow long so i look like a rock star! :rock:
     
  4. #44
    Jayjay1976

    Bubblegazer

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    28 batches in, I'm still bottling because I can't spend the money to build a kegerator. I would love to just have two taps and space for a third keg to lager, just too many bills and too much going on right now to even build that. I also save yeast for waaay too long (still pitching kölsch yeast I saved from last may) and I DIY everything I can, including my whole elec. biab rig and controller.

    I also used to waste 5 gallons of star san every time I brewed, but folks here cured me of that; now i can make a gallon last through several batches with the judicious use of a spray bottle. Never had an infection and not planning to anytime soon, but I also don't need to spend a lot on sanitizer.
     
  5. #45
    grampamark

    From out of the clear blue of the western sky...  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    Homebrewing, at least the way I’ve been doing it, is sufficiently cheaper than buying craft beer that I haven't been compelled to try pinching pennies.

    I went through my brewing notes, and can account for 75 batches brewed since I started a little more than 7 years ago. That's 150 cases of beer. The craft beers that I like sell for $8-10 a six pack; figure $35 bucks a case. That's a little more than $5K worth of beer. I have about $1200 in brewing equipment, kegerator, spare parts, etc. If I figure an average cost of ingredients of $25 per batch (which might be a bit high; better to err on the conservative side), I’ve spent an additional $1875 on ingredients, for a total of a little over $3K. So, I’ve saved a couple thousand bucks over the years. I still buy a little commercial beer, for reference beers and to keep some in the fridge for when the pipeline runs dry, but not enough to erase all the savings.

    Another way to look at it is that I’ve spent as much on homebrewing in 7 years as I would have spent on an equivalent amount of BMC beer and had the advantage of drinking better beer for 7 years. :cool:
     
  6. #46
    wiggybrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    Got a new Cereal Killer last year, never used. I'm just waiting for my seven year old Barley Crusher to die, I must be one of the lucky ones to have it last that long!
     
  7. #47
    badlee

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    Not silly, imho anyhow:
    I stopped using my fermentation fridge here in Thailand and ferment almost all of my brews with Kveik strains.
    No extra electricty to pay for.

    Sent from my SM-J510FN using Home Brew mobile app
     
  8. #48
    anotherbeerplease

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I throw my brew kettle and carboys away after each use. Start fresh, I always say
     
  9. #49
    ghohn

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    Were you able to get Kveik yeast shipped over, procured locally or did you dry it yourself?
     
  10. #50
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    sounds like a waste of good star san. I make 2 gallons in jugs, put some in a small trigger sprayer . I've learned to not use so much on brew day, just enough to wet the surface . I first clean any heavy "crustys or gunk" with oxiclean, scrub that , apply the star san spray swish it around,dump, reapply. The trick to using less is doing a thorough clean up at the end of brew day so the next one is a basic and minimal cleaning , just a quick once over with star san and its good to go.
     
  11. #51
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    almost all of my beer glasses came from Goodwill...from $0.50 to $2 .from plain old "flight size "tasters , pilsener to heavy mugs and fancy gold rimmed beer logo glasses. If I break one, no big deal.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
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  12. #52
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    buy a small trigger sprayer , save money and space.
     
  13. #53
    Lefou

    Danged rascally furt

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    Well, now that I have no less than two refrigerators the Nord yeast is becoming fairly easy to get. A couple years ago that wasn't the case but now Voss and Hothead are all the rage.
    The yeast I typically brew with - German liquid lager - is out of stock. Go figure.
     
  14. #54
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    see if they have what I call an "orphan bin" of grains. My old LHBS sells grain in only 1 and 10 pound bags at per pound prices , so if they have any left from the parent sack and its under 1 lb , they put it in a small bag ,label it and price it for $1 . Most times there are more than 1 of the same kind in the orphan bin ...more like 3.
     
  15. #55
    kh54s10

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I've never seen that. All the LHBSs that I have been to either sell prepackaged or they sell by weight out of a bin. So there is never anything left over. With the prepackage there is no parent sack. And with the second, when the bin gets low they refill it from the parent sack. When the parent sack is emptied, they open another.
     
  16. #56
    Hoppy2bmerry

    My hop trellis brings the boys to the yard.  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    My LHBS that closed last year would have a few “bin bags” at a reduced price... I don’t know why, perhaps they made some recipes. The one I go to now will sell the pound bag of specialty grain and mill what is needed.
     
  17. #57
    Kirkwooder

    Emperor of all things nobody cares about

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    This time of the year, I do an extra mash, after I've mashed and sparged for the beer I'm brewing. Then take the low gravity wort and put in a pot on my wood stove to cook down to 1.040 or so and use it for starter wort.

    Then I feed the grains to my chickens, sell their eggs, use that money to buy more grain for the next batch, and start all over.

    I even grow my own hops. I am one cheap bastard! I'm so cheap I'm trying to figure out how to harvest CO2 from a fermentation and use it to serve draft.

    I've even used cracked corn in place of flaked maze in lager recipes. It's cheap ($12/50#) and I always have it on hand. It is a suitable substitute by the way.

    If you really want to be frugal, buy a 50# sack of pale 2 row malt, (roughly $50), ad some farm fresh cracked corn and home grown hops, re-pitch yeast, brew over a wood fire, and you can get 7-8 batches of light lager for under $60.

    I spent 6 years out of work recovering from an injury and surgeries with very little income and lots of time. I learned fast how to brew cheap!

    Like I said, I'm cheap, not frugal.
     
  18. #58
    bracconiere

    Jolly Alcoholic  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    at first glance i didn't see the period in front of that 50, i was thinking i'd cry if i broke a $50 dollar beer glass! lol
     
  19. #59
    Punjom

    Active Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    This has never crossed my mind. Do you place your boil kettle on top of a potbelly stove or fire pit? Have you ever experience any change in beer flavor?
     
  20. #60
    Kirkwooder

    Emperor of all things nobody cares about

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I've done it both ways. It sucks! It takes forever and ads a ton of work to an already labor intensive process. The open fire ads a bit of smokey hints to a light beer, I don't know if anyone that didn't know it was brewed over open fire would even pick it up.
     
  21. #61
    Hoppy2bmerry

    My hop trellis brings the boys to the yard.  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I grow hops as well, however not enough to use exclusively. Maybe that will change in a few years. I sometimes partigyle and get two batches for one, and do a little baking with the spent grains. Unfortunately I don’t know anyone local with chickens to give the rest to... I used to get fresh eggs in return when I was sharing grains.

    Geez, it feels good to not waste.
     
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  22. #62
    mongoose33

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I have a friend who raises chickens and she gets all my spent grain. We have a deal: if she ever feels inclined to give me eggs or meat in return, she needs to give it to a needy family who can use it. Pay it forward, in other words.

    And yes, it feels good not to waste. Damn good. I hate waste, absolutely hate it.
     
  23. #63
    kh54s10

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    No chickens or anyone that has any but I used to compost, now I dump in a bed with those curved border pavers. It must have had a plant at one time. I brew infrequently enough that the previous dump has pretty much decomposed by the time of the next brew. I think I will dump the next one on the lawn and rake it into the grass. No waste.
     
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  24. #64
    seatazzz

    Well-Known Bloviator & Pontificator  

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I have one, it's full of kegs!
     
  25. #65
    danielthemaniel

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2019
    I think silly would be the habits you have formed that may benefit one of your efficiencies but to a much smaller degree that it would benefit another efficiency. Therefore, making the decision silly.
     
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  26. #66
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    I've resparged, turned into a wonderful brew.

    Id love to grow my own hops . Since we live out in the country I'd like to try it . What hops do you grow?

    Sounds like a nice cream ale.
     
  27. #67
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    Thanks for the catch , I edited a "0" before the decimal.

    Ive even bought an unopened "the ultimate book of beers" with a companion pilsener glass gift pack, still wrapped in factory cellophane . $3
    The book and glass caught my eye enough , then I discovered on the cover there is an Austrian beer with the same name as my mothers maiden name ,which we always thought was German.
     
  28. #68
    lump42

    The Lajestic Vantrashell of Lob  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    I don't reuse my starsan after a few days mostly because I'm forgetful/lazy and don't get DI water. It starts getting cloudy and I start questioning it's efficacy when the surfactants start precipitating. I offset it by using a medicine syringe and making a quart spray bottle at a time. After 5 years, I just finished my first 16 oz bottle and bought a 32 oz to replace it. At this rate, I'll be buying star san in 2029.
     
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  29. #69
    NewJersey

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    i hesr ya, but to me the trick is not worrying about the $1 of starsan
     
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  30. #70
    JohnSand

    Moderator Staff Member  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    I used to spray the inside of my bottles to sanitize, but found it wasn't always effective. I also used to pour starsan back into the jug and reuse, now I dump it after use. I used to try to hit my volume and efficiency exactly, now I just make a little more to ensure a full keg. The rest gets dumped, because bottling the last bit was a hassle.
    So I guess I don't really do anything silly to save money in brewing. But I'm not giving up extensive cost saving habits in the rest of my life. I need that money to brew!
     
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  31. #71
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    I'm just saying, if you're making up an entire 5 gallon batch only to toss it, why not just make a 1 gallon batch ,put only what you need to use in a hand sprayer and not waste as much? Let your Oxiclean or PBW do the heavy work and just sanitize .It is a contact sanitizer. It only needs to get wet or let the foam hit it for it to work. I realize its $1 , but it adds up . after 10 batches , thats $10, the cost of a batch of grain.
     
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  32. #72
    OG-wan Kenobi

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    $1??

    32 oz is $20 and I get 20% if I time it right it's only 50 cents worth of star san I dump, that's why I have no clue why people seem to obsess over saving it. I also go with fresh clean star san every time
     
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  33. #73
    lump42

    The Lajestic Vantrashell of Lob  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    You could start a simple compost bin to but the rest of your spent grains. Free compost comes out the other end.
     
  34. #74
    lump42

    The Lajestic Vantrashell of Lob  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    Everybody gets hung up on silly things all the time. The only time I ever saved mine is if I remember to get DI water. Otherwise I hold mine for about a week to make sure nothing comes up right after a batch. I make up a quart at a time. 32oz was ~$25. 32oz makes 640 qts. So I'm only spending $0.04 per batch on sanitizer.

    I'm still frugal with it though. When I sanitize kegs I fill them full with star san and push out with CO2, but I won't do that until most of my kegs are ready to go. I can't bring myself to 'waste' the 5 gal of star san. I know its just pocket change, but it makes me twitch to use 5 gal for just one or two kegs.
     
  35. #75
    Hoppy2bmerry

    My hop trellis brings the boys to the yard.  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    Sometimes I compost, and sometimes I take it a couple blocks and put it in the woods for deer and whatever woodland creatures find it. We have occasional rat sightings with a couple restaurants nearby, which makes composting without a closed composter an invitation for the vermin.
     
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  36. #76
    bracconiere

    Jolly Alcoholic  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    50 cents! you know on a 5 gal batch that would be 11.25 cents more a twelve pack! lol

    that'd be a deal breaker for me! ;) i just sanitize my fermenter with 190f sparge water, and let it sit until it cools to 168f
     
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  37. #77
    NewJersey

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    cuz 5 gallns fills the left bay in my two bay sink nicely and covers objects i put in there
     
  38. #78
    dx250

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    For starsan I use a 1/4 bbl keg full that I use for everything purging kegs and a picnic tap fir dispensing to a spray bottle, it lasts months. I just got a mill so bulk grain is in my future. I motorized it with the motor and gear reduction from my mom's old garage door opener that the electronics went out. The only thing I bought besides the mill is a $6 sprocket and gas for the chainsaw to mill the lumber to mount everything on.

    I also use the outflow from the chiller to fill the washing machine.

    Also Walmart has a sleeping bag for $15 that works well for as a fermenter blanket.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
  39. #79
    jayrome2722

    Active Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    I transfer hot water from place to place now with just a siphon tube after warping two auto siphons. I only got a mouthful of 180 degree water and lost all taste for a week one time, so, totally worth it.

    I also pieced together a hop spider using a 2 inch length of PVC pipe, metal skewers and a paint straining bag, all of which I had on hand.
     
  40. #80
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2019
    ok lets put it this way . a 30 pack of Nattys is what ,like about $12 on sale? drink half of one and pour the rest down the drain...
    wait...nevermind.
    I understand now.
    (the previous statement was written totally as a joke to lighten the air with extreme sarcasm...please do not take personally. )
     
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