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My Alt scored a 40 (1st place table 2) and all others I entered were in the 30's. I agree it was a low scoring competition but I didn't taste any of the other beers. My wife always thought Nodding Head was a dingy place, maybe that has something to do with it, haha.
 
Holy crap...first at table 4!!!!....with a pale ale that scored a 30. They must have low balled the hell out of everybody.

You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
 
You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
maybe I got the wrong scoresheet like some other people on this forum. I don't see anything in the scoresheet linking it to my beer per se (my name, beer name, ingredients, etc.) I think I'm going to email them. I care more about feedback than placing and, if I have the wrong scoresheet, that isn't very good feedback....however, if I have the right scoresheet, and you have a higher score than me, then you obviously deserve to be ahead of me.

EDIT: I just emailed Nancy. Maybe she can tell me if I received the wrong scoresheet or if I was incorrectly awarded first place.
 
You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...

Placing is usually determined by a mini-BOS format. Your 38.5 might have been scored by a different set of judges than Jeremy's 30. Some judges score on a different curve than each other and the mini-BOS format for placing neutralizes those variances. In other words, score is not the determining factor in placing. My American Brown also scored higher than 30 and I took third place.
 
Placing is usually determined by a mini-BOS format. Your 38.5 might have been scored by a different set of judges than Jeremy's 30. Some judges score on a different curve than each other and the mini-BOS format for placing neutralizes those variances. In other words, score is not the determining factor in placing. My American Brown also scored higher than 30 and I took third place.

Yup, that's how they do it. My buddy entered a Kölsch as a Kölsch and also a Blonde (in a different comp) and the Kölsch scored higher than the Blonde but the Blonde placed better.
 
Well, I haven't heard back yet, but I was able to track my entry number (I wrote it on the check) and they gave me the wrong scoresheet. Hopefully they send the right one soon.
 
Yup, that's how they do it. My buddy entered a Kölsch as a Kölsch and also a Blonde (in a different comp) and the Kölsch scored higher than the Blonde but the Blonde placed better.

Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. Like I said, first competition for me...
 
I heard back from Nancy...here's the email:

Hi Jeremy,
Don't worry about scores v. placement. They don't always indicate the judges'
preference. As for your entry number not matching, they are changed when the beers are
registered.
Congratulations!
Nancy


I always thought the BJCP scoring system was there to eliminate preference of the judges (which is subjective). Oh well, I'll take it...horray for me and I'm sorry if you managed to score higher than me and finished lower. Quite honestly, I'd rather have the higher score because, to me, that means I'm making better beer....beer that's close to style and has fewer technical flaws. This is my second first place and my third placement overall in three different comps. It's also the third lowest score I've ever had. Go figure. :mug:
 
the reason sometimes a lower scored beer will take the table is because the person that entered the beer didn't necessarily enter it in the correct category. So while the beer was a sub average helles bock, it would have been an amazing maibock, or something similar. So yeah, it didn't score well in the category it was entered in, but was a damn good beer and should have taken the table.

At least that's my understanding of how that works anyway.
 
I always thought the BJCP scoring system was there to eliminate preference of the judges (which is subjective). Oh well, I'll take it...horray for me and I'm sorry if you managed to score higher than me and finished lower. Quite honestly, I'd rather have the higher score because, to me, that means I'm making better beer....beer that's close to style and has fewer technical flaws. This is my second first place and my third placement overall in three different comps. It's also the third lowest score I've ever had. Go figure.

I really doesn't have anything to do with preference of judges. They do it that way to eliminate different judges scoring curves. If there are 20 beers in a category they may have 4 sets of judges judging 5 beers each. Each set of judges may pass on a couple of the beers from their group that they think are the best to a mini best of show for the whole category. One judge might score an excellent beer at a 44, while another judge may score what they think is an excellent beer at 40. Now suppose that the 40 point beer is actually a better and more to-style beer than the 44 that the other judges gave. By doing the mini best of show format they effectively eliminate variations on judges scoring curves and the winner is purely the best beer and most to-style on the table regardless of score.
 
...interesting. I'm thinking maybe I should sign up to be a steward so I can get a better understanding of his these competitions work.
 
...interesting. I'm thinking maybe I should sign up to be a steward so I can get a better understanding of his these competitions work.

A totally worthwhile experience, IMO. I learned so much about competition tasting, judging, organization, etc from my first experience here with HOPS-BOPS. I'd been looking into being a BJCP judge for a while, but this was a nice introduction to the process. I just need to find a beer judging test somewhere close.
 
I think they still need to get a couple of the ribbons back from the people that got bumped up. Other than that, they are probably preparing the swag and ribbons to go out soon
 
I was wondering the same actually, unfortunately I just kicked the keg of the beer I won 2nd with :(
 
the reason sometimes a lower scored beer will take the table is because the person that entered the beer didn't necessarily enter it in the correct category. So while the beer was a sub average helles bock, it would have been an amazing maibock, or something similar. So yeah, it didn't score well in the category it was entered in, but was a damn good beer and should have taken the table.

At least that's my understanding of how that works anyway.

This is not how it works. Beers that make it to the mini best of show round are still judged against the style they were entered... if you entered a maibock in the wrong category it shouldn't even make it to the mini bos round...but if it did it the judges in the mini bos round should eliminate it quickly since it's not to style for what it is suppose to be.
 
Also, I think it should be noted that different styles of beers have different difficulties to make and expectations. I think most would agree that an average big Imperial Stout should be a pretty good beer because it is so big and powerful that it might overcome shortcomings in fermentation, recipe, balance, etc. However, an oatmeal stout or sweet stout requires more balance and finesse to make well, so in that respect maybe the judges will give credit to a sweet stout that scores a 35 when all the others were in the 20's over a RIS that scored a 38 over a field in the low to mid 30's.

Another alternative is if 2 beers get similar scores 34 vs 38, but 1 beer got better scores for flavor and overall impression, whereas the other was a point or two better in mouthfeel, aroma, and appearance. In my mind, the beer that tastes better should be the winner even if it isn't as technically perfect, especially when it pertains to inproper carbonation. Undercarbonating a beer will drastically diminish aroma, appearance and mouthfeel which can take 5-10 points off of a beer that was otherwise better. If you have the perfect recipe and process but mess up carbonation, your score takes a huge hit for something that is sometimes an afterthought for me.
 
I'm just going on what a judge had told me. Maybe there is what "should" happen and what "does" happen? I don't know. I have no desire to get into the certification for judging. Like I said, just going on what I was told.
 
this shouldn't be the case either. Each beer should be judged TO STYLE. In the mini-bos each beer should be to style. The difference comes down to intangibles alot of times. Sometimes there will be a miss by a paid of judges and a not to style beer makes it to mini-bos. So what judges should be looking for in mini-bos and bos are beers that fit their style the best. Not which beer is harder to make or tastes better to them.
 
Anyone enter the SCH*ABC?
(raises hand) Me!!! I've got three entries in that one.

1. White House Honey Porter
2. Cluster Pale Ale
3. Monk Melee II Saison (brewed for the Monk Melee II on Dec. 1st, but I wanted to get an early indicator on it.)

How about you?
 
I entered some beers into that one too, we're planning on going to Appalachian for the results. It's a slightly bigger comp than HOPS BOPS. When I placed my entries the Monday before the deadline, there were 300 entered.

Alt
Hefe
Kolsch
Homegrown Hop IPA
Bourbon Barrel Aged RIS
 
I have a white IPA, ordinary bitter, and pumpkin ale entered

I entered some beers into that one too, we're planning on going to Appalachian for the results. It's a slightly bigger comp than HOPS BOPS. When I placed my entries the Monday before the deadline, there were 300 entered.

Alt
Hefe
Kolsch
Homegrown Hop IPA
Bourbon Barrel Aged RIS
Good luck to all. :mug:

I was going to enter the Monk Melee, but I just found out that all entries must be delivered in person...the closest drop off point is 54 miles from me....one way. I don't think this one is that important to me.
 
I entered the following.

Root Cellar Helles
Great Harvest Imperial Pumpkin Ale
Citra IPA
Funky Saison (entered as a Geuze, 50/50 wild yeast)
Pine Pale Ale (this is actually my wife's recipe, it was her Queen of the Hops contest beer)
 
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