is the apfelwein good? ive been wanting to try it, but if id like the regular stuff more, id rather invest time in traditional grape wines. (if using welch's is even close to counting as traditional) just curious, can you use straight grape juice without the dilution to make a red? Im sorry, im new at this. also, id be into using real grapes if i had the time and money to invest in all that stomping and pressing. unfortunately, i have neither. Ive made Kbac (Kvass), this welch's wine, a pretty harsh hillbilly moonshine style rum, and a not-too-close-to-store-bought vodka from russet potatoes. the latter two were... strange.. to say the least and honestly, I will probably stay away from it from now on, but im glad I can say I tried it.