Vienna / Victory Malt, what's the difference?

[NebraskaBrewer]

So I brewed a 10 gallon batch of all Cascade APA on Christmas day. The recipe called for 17# of 2 row, 5# of Vienna and a pound of Victory malt. As I weigh out the grains I'm looking through my stash and can't find the Victory, so I just blow it off.

While running off to the kettle, I notice the wort looks much darker than usual and has a nice red hue to it, weird. Gets me to thinking...

Last time I bought grain I brought home a 10 pound bag of Victory malt and a 50 lb sack of Vienna and 2 row. Check my stash and I realize the 10 lb. plastic bag marked Vienna must have been misidentified and was the lost Victory after all. Had to be, I don't have any plastic bags of Vienna, only a 50 sack. Plus, that would explain the color.

So basically I have zero Vienna and 5# Victory in the batch, that's about 22%. I'm rolling with the punches on this one, maybe it will work out to be a happy accident.

Anybody else ever mix up their grain like this?

Any ideas what kind of contribution that much Victory might add?

Cheers.

 

[deadscott]

I would say that is large amount of victory. Every thing I read suggested a max usage of 15%. I am guessing it's going to have a massive toasty/nutty flavor. I bet it still turns fine. A lot of my better beers were as a result of major screw ups on my part. I would pull a sample in a few weeks and either give myself a pat on the back for screw up well done or formulate some type of rescue plan.

 

[Clementine]

You can always blend it with something else if it ends up two far out of specs. You could brew the same beer with 5 lb of Vienna and then blend them 50:50 before bottling and you would have the originally planned beer.... just 20 gallons.

Clem

 

[HokieBrewer]

I've heard Victory is very similar to Biscuit. That's definitely a large addition, but you never know how it will turn out. Update this with tasting notes when the time comes.

 

[rjschroed]

can we have the rest of your recipe, I did an all cascade APA once and wished I would have dry hopped the heck out of it at the very least and I can say it's probably something I wouldn't do again without using a different bittering hop. As far as the grain mistake, eh, if you hate it, blend it, but I bet you won't.

 

[NebraskaBrewer]

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm hoping for a happy accident, for sure will be an opportunity to learn something. I like the blending idea. I just happened to have a couple of finished IPA's on tap that seems to me to be missing a malt backbone. Looking forward playing around with blending these in the glass. Full recipe posted below.

It's kinda funny how things work some times. Several of my favorite beers have had a certain accidental or hard to duplicate quality to them. My current favorite is an American Stout that I made from the second runnings of a Russian Imperial Stout. I hadn't intended to even make a second beer, just dawned on me that I should when I had the needed boil volume in the kettle and was still running off some pretty good gravity wort. I worked out a quick hop schedule on the fly without really giving it much thought. Turned out awesome for a little 3.7 ABV stout, and will give me something to drink until daddy's ready. Only problem is, I don't know how to re-create the nice little stout without first making the big one.

Cheers.

Cheech & Chong Cascade Hop Burst Pale Ale 10G
American Pale Ale
Type: All Grain Date: 12/25/2011
Batch Size (fermenter): 11.00 gal Brewer: Tim
Boil Size: 13.98 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My 10 gal setup
End of Boil Volume 12.48 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 11.00 gal Est Mash Efficiency 81.8 %
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 0.0
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10.00 ml Lactic Acid (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -
16 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Ale Malt (2 Row) US Rahr (3.1 SRM) Grain 2 67.3 %
5 lbs 8.0 oz Victory Malt 25, biscuit (25.0 SRM) Grain 3 22.4 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 4 4.1 %
1 lbs Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 5 4.1 %
8.0 oz Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 6 2.0 %
0.0 oz Vienna Malt, Global (3.5 SRM) Grain 7 0.0 %
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 26.0 min Hop 8 2.3 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 9 2.3 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 24.0 min Hop 10 2.2 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 23.0 min Hop 11 2.2 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 22.0 min Hop 12 2.1 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 21.0 min Hop 13 2.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 14 2.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 19.0 min Hop 15 1.9 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 18.0 min Hop 16 1.8 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 17.0 min Hop 17 1.8 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 16.0 min Hop 18 1.7 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 19 -
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 20 1.6 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 14.0 min Hop 21 1.5 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 13.0 min Hop 22 1.5 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 12.0 min Hop 23 1.4 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 11.0 min Hop 24 1.3 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 25 1.2 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 9.0 min Hop 26 1.1 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 8.0 min Hop 27 1.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 7.0 min Hop 28 0.9 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 6.0 min Hop 29 0.8 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 30 0.7 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 4.0 min Hop 31 0.5 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 3.0 min Hop 32 0.4 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 33 0.3 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 34 0.1 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade, Leaf [8.40 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 35 0.0 IBUs
3.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 36 -
4.00 oz Cascade, Leaf [7.20 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 37 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.060 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.060 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.011 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.4 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 6.6 %
Bitterness: 36.6 IBUs Calories: 199.7 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 11.8 SRM

Mash Profile
Mash Name: Single Infusion, Full Body, No Mash Out TIM Total Grain Weight: 24 lbs 8.0 oz
Sparge Water: 9.26 gal Grain Temperature: 60.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 170.0 F Tun Temperature: 45.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 7.66 gal of water at 170.7 F 152.0 F 60 min
Sparge Step: Fly sparge with 9.26 gal water at 170.0 F
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).

Carbonation and Storage
Carbonation Type: Keg Volumes of CO2: 2.5
Pressure/Weight: 14.89 PSI Carbonation Used: Keg with 14.89 PSI
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 45.0 F Age for: 10.00 days
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage Storage Temperature: 40.0 F

 

[NebraskaBrewer]

Update: I poured this beer at a festival, it was well received and went fast.

The extra Victory added quite a bit of body, turned out to be a pretty well rounded Pale Ale, I would brew it that way again.

Cheers.

 

[kcross13]

I liked the whole end loading of the hops. I am definitely going to try this one on the next IPA round.