Stone XI Anniversary Clone

[Gritsak]

I actually bottled mine today. I mashed at around the same temp. I think oversparging caused me to have a lower gravity, but I can tell you one thing. This stuff smells great and tastes great too...even in it's raw state. I can't wait to be drinking this.

What was your OG and FG?

 

[cookietruck]

i have just enough bottles for one more batch and i should have a small order of specialty grains soon.

so i'm gonna brew this again.

i'll probably do 15lb pale malt, 14oz cm60 and 14oz carafaIII.
mash around 152.
bitter with magnum, also use amarillo, i have a few other hops to use but no simcoe...galena, cluster, willamette, chinook...

also not sure if i'll do wlp023 or wlp051 yeast as i have both in the fridge...

 

[songstre]

Og 1.068
fg 1.012

 

[songstre]

Ok, so tasted this last night. It's really good, but it lacks the hoppiness of the real thing. It's only been in the bottle for 4 days, but I couldn't wait. Plus, the bottle I opened was designated as a tester as it was only half full. I expect improvement over time, but I will definitely make this again and when I do I will experiment with the hops. I saw other recipes that use Ahtanum hops and I figured I'd give that a try. Here's the final BS output:


Type: Partial Mash
Date: 2/21/2010
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Brewer: Robert Butler
Boil Size: 6.91 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: Brew Pot (6+gal) and Igloo/Gott Cooler (5 Gal)
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
15.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 88.24 %
1.00 lb Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
3.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (75 min) Hops 107.2 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) Hops 5.5 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (15 min) Hops 8.5 IBU
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) Yeast-Ale



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.083 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.062 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.018 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.012 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 8.51 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 5.74 %
Bitterness: 121.2 IBU Calories: 281 cal/pint
Est Color: 37.9 SRM Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 17.00 lb
Sparge Water: 3.89 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Step Time Name Description Step Temp
75 min Mash In Add 21.25 qt of water at 163.5 F 150.0 F



Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Corn Sugar Volumes of CO2: 2.4
Pressure/Weight: 4.2 oz Carbonation Used: -
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 60.0 F Age for: 28.0 days
Storage Temperature: 52.0 F

Notes

Low OG. I believe I oversparged and ended up with too much wort. Ended up with less concentration of sugars. I had about 6 gallons in the pot after boil and tossed maybe a quart with sludge. May have low alcohol, which isn't entirely bad.

3/31 - Just tasted this. Only in the bottle for 4 days, but it tastes great! Lacks hoppiness though. Try Ahtanum hops next time. Should tone down the Carafa to II as well.

 

[cookietruck]

you should've used more late addition hops.

i'm going to make this tonight.
i'll probably do 1.75-2 oz of hops at 90 minutes, either magnum or galena.
the same hop again at 20 or 30 minutes. probably about .75oz.

then two big late additions of hops for the hop flavor and a bit of aroma, one somewhere around 5-15 minutes and another at flame out.
each of these will probably be 2oz each.
i've got amarillo, cluster, galena, magnum, willamette, a little chinook, a little fuggle.
i'm thinking a little amarillo and alot of cluster because i haven't used cluster yet...

i still have to do the calculations to get the IBU's to 95-100 or so.

the grain is milled.
15lbs belgian pale
14oz carafaIII
14oz Crystal 60
4.5oz Crystal 10
3.5 oz victory

those last two very small amounts of grain in the bill were because i needed to empty two jars that were almost empty so i could put grains that just arrived in them.

 

[songstre]

Yeah, I figured as much. Plenty of IBUs, not enough hop "aura", if you will. The real SSR explodes in your nose and in your mouth with flavor, aroma, and bitterness. I'm lacking the flavor.

You got a lot of different hops going on there. Cleaning out?

 

[cookietruck]

hops direct...order a few times and you'll end up with a freezer full of hops.

so i'm bittering with galena, flavor and aroma are amarillo and cluster.
OG should be ~1.075, made a starter with wlp023 last night.

 

[Gritsak]

Yeah, your late additions and dry-hopping are pretty low. Here was my hop schedule:

3.00 oz Chinook [11.40 %] (110 min)
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (10 min)
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (10 min)
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (1 min)
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (1 min)
2.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)
2.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)

Tasted a hydro sample yesterday and it was pretty good. Not quite finished fermenting, but the hops were definitely there. Still have the 4oz of dry-hopping in a couple weeks

 

[Jughead]

This one has been on deck w/ me for awhile, Gonna brew it wed-thurs.

PM 5.5 gal 70% effic
OG 1.081 FG 1.020 (hopefully lower) 8.04%ABV IBU 124.5

6lb xlight dme
6lb 2 row
14oz carafa 3
14 oz 60L
2oz chinook 60
.5 zeus 30
.5 amarillo 10
.5 simcoe 10
.5 amarillo 1
.5 simcoe 1
1oz amarillo DH
1oz simcoe DH


What do ya think? I just guessed on the hop additions, I think this is a good spread? Any thoughts would be great. Does anyone know why Beer Tools Pro doesn't add any IBU's for DH? I know it's mainly for aroma, but I would think it still adds some bitterness. I can't wait to brew this one, this is the beer that made me want to start brewing! I've been working up the huevos for this for months. I use a stater/stir plate and am going towards Pacman yeast. I've read countless info on big OG beers, but never done one. Any advice from dudes that have done this recipe or other big uns would be appreciated (other than big starter/good aeration) Thanks, this forum is the shiznit!

 

[songstre]

Yeah, your late additions and dry-hopping are pretty low. Here was my hop schedule:

3.00 oz Chinook [11.40 %] (110 min)
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (10 min)
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (10 min)
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (1 min)
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (1 min)
2.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)
2.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)

Tasted a hydro sample yesterday and it was pretty good. Not quite finished fermenting, but the hops were definitely there. Still have the 4oz of dry-hopping in a couple weeks

This is for 5 gallons??? 11 oz?

 

[songstre]

This one has been on deck w/ me for awhile, Gonna brew it wed-thurs.

PM 5.5 gal 70% effic
OG 1.081 FG 1.020 (hopefully lower) 8.04%ABV IBU 124.5

6lb xlight dme
6lb 2 row
14oz carafa 3
14 oz 60L
2oz chinook 60
.5 zeus 30
.5 amarillo 10
.5 simcoe 10
.5 amarillo 1
.5 simcoe 1
1oz amarillo DH
1oz simcoe DH


What do ya think? I just guessed on the hop additions, I think this is a good spread? Any thoughts would be great. Does anyone know why Beer Tools Pro doesn't add any IBU's for DH? I know it's mainly for aroma, but I would think it still adds some bitterness. I can't wait to brew this one, this is the beer that made me want to start brewing! I've been working up the huevos for this for months. I use a stater/stir plate and am going towards Pacman yeast. I've read countless info on big OG beers, but never done one. Any advice from dudes that have done this recipe or other big uns would be appreciated (other than big starter/good aeration) Thanks, this forum is the shiznit!

IBUs are generated by boiling the alpha acids in the hops. The longer you boil them the more bitterness you achieve. There is no boiling with dry hopping, therefore no bitterness added. Even FW hopping will not achieve bitterness. It's for arome only.

 

[songstre]

As for your recipe, if you look back through this thread you'll see that I used similar abounts of hops and I will definitely increase next time. Went to a party last night and I had people tasting this. They loved it, but I did a side by side with the Stone brew, and it was lacking a bit. Delicious, but lacking.

 

[Gritsak]

This is for 5 gallons??? 11 oz?

yep. Around 118 IBU's, but the majority of that comes from the chinook @90min (not 2hrs like it says, that was a mistake)

 

[songstre]

yep. Around 118 IBU's, but the majority of that comes from the chinook @90min (not 2hrs like it says, that was a mistake)

Have you made this this way before? Looks like you really like the same things as I do. Belgians and Stones!

 

[Gritsak]

Have you made this this way before? Looks like you really like the same things as I do. Belgians and Stones!

This was my first attempt at it. I search the internet periodically for the past month or so trying to compile all the different recipes to find a good match. It's only been fermenting about week, so it's sitting at 1.024. It was a bit thick and sweet still, but the actual flavor was close to the bottle of SSR i had the night before. Temps here have been perfect, so i've been able to keep it at 65-68 degrees with no problems. I'll give it another week or so to finish up, then start dry-hopping.

 

[Jughead]

Thanks for the advice, I have read the whole thread. sounds like I need to add more late addition hops. I think I'll double the amarillo and simcoe amounts, that should do the trick. thanks

 

[cookietruck]

i ran off a little more than i planned. 8.5 gallons.
gravity was 1.076 so it's a little low. it was windy and i wasn't sure how hard i was going to have to boil it to get keep the flame from blowing out.

my hops were:
2.0 oz. galena 90 min

.5 oz galena 30min
.75 oz. cluster 30 min

since i'm almost done with lb. bags of chinook and fuggle i used them to try a sub of simcoe.
so it was 1/3 equal portions of fuggle, chinook and galena totalling 1.5 oz.
added that at 5 min.

at flameout i added 1.5 oz amarillo and 1.5 oz cluster.
cooled to ~80* in 20 minutes.
whirlpool and then dumped beer in fermenter leaving break and hop material in the kettle.

got 6 gallons in the fermenter.

i made starter of wlp023, last time i used it i got too many esters from fermenting too warm.
so i'm thinking i'll keep it cool and it'll be fine.
shouldn't have had that last beer while brewing because i completely spaced working too fast and pitched my starter in the fermenter when it was @77*

oh well, it was cooled to about 68* by the morning, airlock wasn't bubbling and no krausen, gave it a slight swirl and it let off alot of co2.
later that day krausen was big and it's been going strong for three days now at ~66*, just last night i let it start warming so it's around 70-71* now.

i'll give it another day or two and i'll dry hop with 3 or 4 ounces in primary. big dry hop coz i think the yeast might cover up some of the hops.

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

I'm going to brew this one this weekend. Luckily I just brewed a big Rogue Shakespeare Stout clone and saved the Pacman yeast cake in a tupperware container in the fridge when I racked the other day. I'm just going to pitch about 1 cup of that slurry for this beast. (I got the Pacman from bottles and grew it out in starters).

I only have a 7.5g turkey fryer so I prefer only 60 minute boils so I end up with just over 5g in the fermenter. I also want to add Cascade into the mix, so here it is, my Cascadian Dark Ale:

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.41 gal
Estimated OG: 1.086 SG
Estimated Color: 37.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 94.9 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
15 lbs 4.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 89.71 %
14.0 oz Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 5.15 %
14.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.15 %

1.75 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 63.4 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [7.50 %] (30 min) Hops 16.1 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [7.50 %] (15 min) Hops 10.4 IBU
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (2 min) Hops 3.1 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (2 min) Hops 2.0 IBU

0.50 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
5.00 gal Irvine, CA Water
1 Pkgs Pacman (Rogue Brewery) [Starter 50 ml] Yeast-Ale

1.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 17.00 lb
----------------------------
Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 21.25 qt of water at 168.1 F 152.0 F

 

[Gritsak]

I'm going to brew this one this weekend. Luckily I just brewed a big Rogue Shakespeare Stout clone and saved the Pacman yeast cake in a tupperware container in the fridge when I racked the other day. I'm just going to pitch about 1 cup of that slurry for this beast. (I got the Pacman from bottles and grew it out in starters).

How big was the Shakespeare clone (i.e. what was the OG). If it was really high, I'd be hesitant on pitching it with another high gravity beer.

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

How big was the Shakespeare clone (i.e. what was the OG). If it was really high, I'd be hesitant on pitching it with another high gravity beer.

OG was 1.062.

Last night I made a 1L starter of 1.040 wort and threw almost a cup of the slurry in. I figure that will give the yeast a chance to reproduce, etc. before pitching in this big beer.

 

[Gritsak]

Looks like mine is finish fermenting. Went from 1.084 to 1.022. Was hoping for better attenuation, but i mashed a little higher than i wanted (152-154). Tastes pretty damn good though, so I'm not too worried.

I'll give it another few days in the primary, cold crash, then put it in the keg and start dry-hopping for a week or so. Really looking forward to tasting this in a month!

 

[Jughead]

My take on this recipe is in primary, chugging along. Pacman is some pretty impressive yeast! My OG was 1.081. I mashed grain at 148-149, added 5lb xl DME, and 1lb white sugar Thanks for the advice AnOldUR! He suggested the mash temp and sugar addition to make this brew lean towards the dryer side. I added a lil more specialty grains than I've seen in other recipes, this stuff is dark as night. Here's my recipe as done.

5lb XL DME
1lb white sugar
5lb 2-row
1lb carafa2
1lb 60L
2oz chinook 60min
.50z Zeus 30min
.15oz Zeus 15min
.5oz Amarillo 10min
.5oz Simcoe 10min
.15oz Zeus 1min
1oz Amarillo 1min
1oz Simcoe 1min
.25oz Zeus DH 4-5days secondary
.5oz Amarillo DH
.5oz Simcoe DH

Should finish nicely, sample tasted sweet, pretty roasty and hoppy, yeast work your majic!

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

OG was 1.062.

Last night I made a 1L starter of 1.040 wort and threw almost a cup of the slurry in. I figure that will give the yeast a chance to reproduce, etc. before pitching in this big beer.

Brew day went pretty well on this one. Efficiency was a little off, ended up hitting OG of 1.083. The Pacman yeast are chomping away and the blowoff tube is bubbling like crazy.

 

[cookietruck]

the wlp023 only took it down to 1.030.
stirred, warmed and let sit for a few days and still no more.
i pitched a slurry of wlp051 and it started to bubble lightly so maybe it went down some more.
i'll check it tonight or tmrw.

tastes pretty good at each sample...

 

[humann_brewing]

the wlp023 only took it down to 1.030.
stirred, warmed and let sit for a few days and still no more.
i pitched a slurry of wlp051 and it started to bubble lightly so maybe it went down some more.
i'll check it tonight or tmrw.

tastes pretty good at each sample...

the attenuation of WLP023 is 69-75%, WLP007 goes averages 70-80% which is the closest yeast to what stone uses. I got 80% out of it mashing at 152 on a 1.085 beer with it.

 

[Blackhawkbrew]

I've been reading this post and this beer sounds great! I was wanting to do a higher gravity brew and this one fits the bill I think. I had a question about the carafa II or III, though. My LHBS carries something called Carafa De-Husked 1150L. Now, from what I've read Carafa II and III are about 425 to 500 L. Can I use the Carafa from my LHBS or should I substitute with something else? Also, I've seen people using different yeast strains, what should I be looking for?

 

[oldschool]

the dehusked 1150? not really sure but dehusked carafa is called carafa special I,II, or III. I think carafa special 2 is around 400L. Are people using the original recipe that has been posted or has some variation taken place. Also how long is this beer taking to mature?

 

[AnOldUR]

FYI

Quote from:
Marc Martin (The Replicator – BYO magazine)

"American Style – India Black Ale" or as we originally called it "Cascadian Dark Ale". There will be 3 excellent recipes that should be in the July- August issue of Brew Your Own magazine. This will include a history of the style origins and details of a "beer symposium" that was conducted here in Portland to develop the style specifications and descriptors. I am just finishing up the recipes now.

 

[Gritsak]

FYI

Quote from:
Marc Martin (The Replicator – BYO magazine)

Awesome..looking forward to that.

 

[ChemEMc]

For those of you who got good attenuation from the target OG (1.082): How big a starter did you use? Mr Malty calculator said to use 4.8L starter starting from 1 vial... Thinkin I'd do a 1 gallon starter from 1 vial unless anyone suggests otherwise.

Or maybe do another beer to build up a cake, any suggestions on a good beer recipe to build the cake (WLP001 or WLP007)?

 

[DeathBrewer]

Mr. Malty's calculator does not account for "stepping up". I would suggest making a 1 L starter and then stepping that up to a 2L starter, then stepping up to 3L or 4L, you'd be fine. Hell, the 2L will probably be more than enough.

Making a light, low-alcohol beer as a starter will work great. Just make an easy batch and you've got some cheap beer with the wonderful benefit of a giant starter.

 

[humann_brewing]

For those of you who got good attenuation from the target OG (1.082): How big a starter did you use? Mr Malty calculator said to use 4.8L starter starting from 1 vial... Thinkin I'd do a 1 gallon starter from 1 vial unless anyone suggests otherwise.

Or maybe do another beer to build up a cake, any suggestions on a good beer recipe to build the cake (WLP001 or WLP007)?

try out the stone levitation ale and you can stick to stone beers

 

[user 22118]

For those of you who got good attenuation from the target OG (1.082): How big a starter did you use? Mr Malty calculator said to use 4.8L starter starting from 1 vial... Thinkin I'd do a 1 gallon starter from 1 vial unless anyone suggests otherwise.

Or maybe do another beer to build up a cake, any suggestions on a good beer recipe to build the cake (WLP001 or WLP007)?

1 gallon seems rather excessive for 5 gallons. If you make a 1.040 1.5L starter you should be more than golden on a new vial/pack. I find that a pinch of nutrients (servomyces?) really helps you out, just watch out becuase it will ferment really hot!

 

[ChemEMc]

I've wanted to do a SMaSH for a while now, so I am going to do one to build up a yeast cake for this beer. Decided on Maris Otter/Cascade. Even though Amarillo might make more sense for this beer, I have more cascade on hand. Recipe: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/maris-otter-cascade-smash-173445/

 

[kjjohns5]

So I had the Sublimely Self-Righteous for the first time last night... blown away!!! I've already decided that I'm going to be brewing this on May 1.

15.25 lbs 2-row
0.75 lbs 60L
0.75 lbs Carafa III

2.5 oz Chinook (13.6%) @ 60 min
1.0 oz Simcoe (12.2%) @ 10 min
1.0 oz Amarillo (7.0%) @ 5 min
1.0 oz Simcoe DH
1.0 oz Amarillo DH

Looking to hit about 1.083 OG, 1.021 FG, 8.0%. I'm so damn excited!

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

My batch has been in primary about 10 days now. It started at 1.083 and the Pacman has it down to about 1.021. I was really hoping it would go a little lower but thats ok.

I think I mashed too high. I set my mash temp in BeerSmith at 152 and heated my strike water to the correct temp but it held a constant 154 for the entire 60 minute mash. I didn't try and cool it at all for fear of the temp falling too low.

The hydrometer sample tasted excellent. I'll probably rack this into secondary this weekend, let it de-gas for a couple days, then dry hop it for a week or so.

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

Looking to hit about 1.083 OG, 1.021 FG, 8.0%. I'm so damn excited!

haha, just noticed that I nailed your numbers exactly!

 

[Jughead]

My take on this has been dry hopping for bout 5 days, seams my FG is hovering right at 1.018, not too bad. This tastes Amazing! A lil roastier than I planned, but I thought I'd just round 14 oz of carafa to a lb, big difference I suppose. I'm am very excited to bottle this one! This is the beer that made me want to start homebrewing. Big thanks to AnOldUr and others for sound advice. My 1st time dry hopping seems to be providing good results. I had a lil extra when transfering to secondary so I put it in a gallon jug w/ no dry hop addition. It will be interesting to see the differences. I'll post more on final tasting, planning to unleash this at my annual Memorial Day camping trip, along w/ 4/ 5 gal kegs of various brews I've been working on the last month or so. I think it will be a hit! Thanks all. Oh I did a 2L starter of Pacman, from a healthy dose of washed yeast for those interested.

 

[Gritsak]

So I had the Sublimely Self-Righteous for the first time last night... blown away!!! I've already decided that I'm going to be brewing this on May 1.

15.25 lbs 2-row
0.75 lbs 60L
0.75 lbs Carafa III

2.5 oz Chinook (13.6%) @ 60 min
1.0 oz Simcoe (12.2%) @ 10 min
1.0 oz Amarillo (7.0%) @ 5 min
1.0 oz Simcoe DH
1.0 oz Amarillo DH

Looking to hit about 1.083 OG, 1.021 FG, 8.0%. I'm so damn excited!

I'd strongly consider upping the late additions and DH'ing. Maybe an ounce of each simcoe and amarillo at 10 and 5min. then another 2oz of each for DH.

 

[jedIPA]

I'm going to do an all grain batch of this on Monday. I have a question about the yeast. I plan on using WLP005 British Ale yeast. What have others used for this? I do have some washed WLP001 Cal Ale yeast in my fridge also. Brew Pal tells me to use 3 liquid packs, how big of a starter should I use to get this off and fermenting? I only have one vial of the 005. BTW this is a 5.5 gallon batch.