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Seriously, the NFC games have all been teevee death this year.
So many bad teams in that conference...

Cheers! (I mean, other than watching the Seahawks choke out yet another last second loss - those were actually pretty good :D)
 
Cape Brewing said:
I think it was a good call and then horrific execution... and if the execution was THAT bad, then that is the coach's fault. (If that made sense)

I'm sure the Colts practiced the play and they had to have done it without making it look THAT bad for him to try it in the game.

The play was supposed to either catch the Pats substituting players or catch the Pats totally off-guard. If either of those two things happened, they would snap the ball.
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Exactly. Colts needed to try trick plays to win and they knew that. On sides kick and fake punt. The fake punt could have worked. You could tell the D was confused at first but then they realized what to do. For that play to work, the O obviously needs to line up on the line of scrimmage and only one defender lines up on center. There were 3 defenders lined up. No way it works. Either call an audible back to punt, try to draw offsides or get delay of game.

I think part blame should go to the coach for not practicing that situation enough for them to know not to hike the ball. Unless the center just screwed up and hiked it when he wasn't supposed to. The qb looked confused when the ball came into his hands.
 
h22lude said:
Exactly. Colts needed to try trick plays to win and they knew that. On sides kick and fake punt. The fake punt could have worked. You could tell the D was confused at first but then they realized what to do. For that play to work, the O obviously needs to line up on the line of scrimmage and only one defender lines up on center. There were 3 defenders lined up. No way it works. Either call an audible back to punt, try to draw offsides or get delay of game.

I think part blame should go to the coach for not practicing that situation enough for them to know not to hike the ball. Unless the center just screwed up and hiked it when he wasn't supposed to. The qb looked confused when the ball came into his hands.
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"Hike the ball".

You're a 12 year old girl, aren't you?
 
h22lude said:
Exactly. Colts needed to try trick plays to win and they knew that. On sides kick and fake punt. The fake punt could have worked. You could tell the D was confused at first but then they realized what to do. For that play to work, the O obviously needs to line up on the line of scrimmage and only one defender lines up on center. There were 3 defenders lined up. No way it works. Either call an audible back to punt, try to draw offsides or get delay of game.
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The fake punt could *not* have worked. If the defense looked at all confused, it was because they must have been wondering why there was only one offensive player on the line of scrimmage, when the rules clear state that you need seven!

If you're going to do a fake punt, at least line up in a legal formation.

The point was also made that if you snap the ball out of the shotgun, you leave open the possibility for a pooch-punt so maybe Edelman doesn't come up to play defense. Or, with all the blockers on the right side of the field, you could roll the "QB" out behind them and he could do a rugby punt; saw a kid in college kick one about eighty yards last week.

But as designed, the fake punt had absolutely zero percent change of success.
 
the_bird said:
The fake punt could *not* have worked. If the defense looked at all confused, it was because they must have been wondering why there was only one offensive player on the line of scrimmage, when the rules clear state that you need seven!

If you're going to do a fake punt, at least line up in a legal formation.

The point was also made that if you snap the ball out of the shotgun, you leave open the possibility for a pooch-punt so maybe Edelman doesn't come up to play defense. Or, with all the blockers on the right side of the field, you could roll the "QB" out behind them and he could do a rugby punt; saw a kid in college kick one about eighty yards last week.

But as designed, the fake punt had absolutely zero percent change of success.
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We'll yeah they obviously needed to line up better.

I don't think the play is designed more to draw a player off sides or get 12 men on the field. Get the penalty and a free first down. If they happen to get only one defender under center them they would actually go on with the play.

Either way it was extremely bad execution of a fake punt. Should have tried to draw off sides and taken delay of game. Or gone with a normal fake punt that has a chance of actually working.
 
h22lude said:
We'll yeah they obviously needed to line up better.

I don't think the play is designed more to draw a player off sides or get 12 men on the field. Get the penalty and a free first down. If they happen to get only one defender under center them they would actually go on with the play.

Either way it was extremely bad execution of a fake punt. Should have tried to draw off sides and taken delay of game. Or gone with a normal fake punt that has a chance of actually working.
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Here's the thing, though. Clearly they knew they needed some good luck and some trickery to have any prayer of winning against New England. That's why they were doing fake punts and onside kicks in the first half and all of that.

Why not just run a regular play on fourth down? Gore had been having some success against the defensive line, it certainly wasn't a guarantee that he'd pick up the yardage but it would keep the defense honest. You've got one of the better young QBs in the game. Hilton keeps the defense honest on the long balls and Andre Johnson's basically a pass-catching tight end; he should be able to get a short completion to move the chains.

Even with a reasonably-designed fake punt, I can't believe you're going to be successful more than a third of the time against New England. But a regular, 4th-and-2, 4th-and-3 play, where you have pretty much the whole playbook to work from? Your odds there, if they aren't 50/50 they aren't TOO far off from that.
 
the_bird said:
Here's the thing, though. Clearly they knew they needed some good luck and some trickery to have any prayer of winning against New England. That's why they were doing fake punts and onside kicks in the first half and all of that.

Why not just run a regular play on fourth down? Gore had been having some success against the defensive line, it certainly wasn't a guarantee that he'd pick up the yardage but it would keep the defense honest. You've got one of the better young QBs in the game. Hilton keeps the defense honest on the long balls and Andre Johnson's basically a pass-catching tight end; he should be able to get a short completion to move the chains.

Even with a reasonably-designed fake punt, I can't believe you're going to be successful more than a third of the time against New England. But a regular, 4th-and-2, 4th-and-3 play, where you have pretty much the whole playbook to work from? Your odds there, if they aren't 50/50 they aren't TOO far off from that.
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Oh I totally agree. Especially with the way the Pats D was playing. BB got in his head. He thought he had to run a trick play to get the 1st down. Changed the rhythm of the game for the Colts completely.
 
It comes down to them sh*ttin their pants when they actually decided to pull out the play and try to execute it. Roosevelt Colvin's has been interviewed and said he's tired of saying that when he was with the Patriots "they went over this in practice". Between this play, the Seattle safety, anything really in the rulebook.

It was a simple peek play. Probably trying to catch the Patriots subbing out guys on defense. Something the Pats do in a hurry up offense all the time and other teams get pissed off because they don't practice it enough. Pats were sitting there waiting because they practiced it. In the end they should have called TO once the Pat's D was onto them. Reality is they have to practice more on when to call a TO. That s*cks for them.

I just love that another coach's head is on the chopping block and this could be the final straw. The F U tour continues.
 
Because it was nearly as funny as the buttfumble. What the hell else are we going to talk about? We could talk about how the Mannings threw more interceptions this weekend than Brady and Rodgers will throw this season combined.
 
TheDudeLebowski said:
It comes down to them sh*ttin their pants when they actually decided to pull out the play and try to execute it. Roosevelt Coleman's has been interviewed and said he's tired of saying that when he was with the Patriots "they went over this in practice". Between this play, the Seattle safety, anything really in the rulebook.

It was a simple peek play. Probably trying to catch the Patriots subbing out guys on defense. Something the Pats do in a hurry up offense all the time and other teams get pissed off because they don't practice it enough. Pats were sitting there waiting because they practiced it. In the end they should have called TO once the Pat's D was onto them. Reality is they have to practice more on when to call a TO. That s*cks for them.

I just love that another coach's head is on the chopping block and this could be the final straw. The F U tour continues.
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The punter came out today and said that they were trying to get the Pats to sub in on defense, and snap the ball when there were more than 11 defenders on the field. And apparently the safety who was acting as the "center" was only in the game because the guy ahead of him was injured, so he hadn't practiced the play since last year and didn't know he wasn't supposed to snap it in that situation. Which then makes you wonder; why the **** even call it, if the guy running the play doesn't really know it?
 
Technically these guys are professionals and are paid millions of dollars to pay attention. You'd also like to have a coach that drills it into them over and over again for any type of situation that any player could be subbed in. Ooor you could just make up excuses for s*ckiness.

You know what team really pissed me off this year is Sexy Rexy. I was hoping to see better competition in our division. Now he's running around blaming everyone. Come on Rex. Where's the psycho we use to know?
 
the_bird said:
The fake punt could *not* have worked. If the defense looked at all confused, it was because they must have been wondering why there was only one offensive player on the line of scrimmage, when the rules clear state that you need seven!

If you're going to do a fake punt, at least line up in a legal formation.

The point was also made that if you snap the ball out of the shotgun, you leave open the possibility for a pooch-punt so maybe Edelman doesn't come up to play defense. Or, with all the blockers on the right side of the field, you could roll the "QB" out behind them and he could do a rugby punt; saw a kid in college kick one about eighty yards last week.

But as designed, the fake punt had absolutely zero percent change of success.
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Google "Oregon, swinging gate". They run that play all the time and it has a dramatically higher success rate than zero
 
Cape Brewing said:
Google "Oregon, swinging gate". They run that play all the time and it has a dramatically higher success rate than zero
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Yup, it does work. The Colts just suck at it. The punt team running to the sideline is supposed to make the defense think the offense is coming back on and hopefully get more defenders on the field. They just blew their cover when the qb ran back to center
 
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