But I'm not redefining beer and dragging it off to a ridiculously superfluous therefore wasteful reinvention just to be different. Nor am I saying people can't enjoy NEIPAs if that's what they like. I'm merely pointing out it isn't 'beer' according to any definition. Not simply my 'biased' understanding of what's considered beer.
malted barley, water, hops, yeast... some people might consider that a definition of beer but I guess YMMV.
The only one i was kind of ok with was one I brewed myself to give it a try, luckily only 5 l. Never had a commercial one I liked
BJCP classifies it as 21C. Hazy IPA
BJCP guidelines are what they are, a workaround for competitions and beer judging. I'd be happy for them to re-categorise NEIPAs as 'barley-based hop cocktails'. Would you enjoy them any less if they did? I like IPAs generally, but not NEIPAs. NEIPA is 'in-your-face' and like burping 'vomit' with a textured, oily thickness that coats my palate and teeth. With few exceptions, beer is bright by default and that brightness is what helps present the subtle complexities of beer. It's a relatively simple affair really. Really no need to overdue it. Some people think more is better, even when less is more.
Not really. Beer by default doesn't look or taste anything like NEIPA. NEIPA is an artificial outgroup that relies on divergent methods not consistent with those generally recognised in brewing beer.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
This is 100% opinion.
No, there's more to it, apparently. It's got to be hazy. You can even buy additives that make beer hazy nowadays. For decades, home brewers wanted bright beer. Now some actively make beer hazy just for appearances. Is that very strong peer pressure or what? Apparently, if you can see through beer, it doesn't have enough flavour. Some people claim to be able to see flavour. It gets funnier the more it gets questioned.
Ah... just gave yourself away.
Hey! I'm drinking a lot of water over here....
I'm going to lobby BJCP to get it changed to 'barley-based hop cocktails'. That's more accurate than a very loose shoehorned IPA category.
LOL. Who says? NEIPAs are made the same way other ales and lagers are made. Water, Grain, Yeast and Hops. Sours also stand out like a sore thumb, but they're some of the best beer in the world. Just because you don't like a certain style doesn't mean it's not a style. Ales and lagers can be as different from one another to the point where someone who knows nothing about beer wouldn't even think they're both beer! A Russian Imperial Stout is as far from a German Pilsner as OJ is from milk.
NEIPA is equally stranger to the beer culture. The techniques are different from normal beer. Has a short shelf live, must be drunk as soon as possible and some brew heresies in 5 days, or less, grain to glass time. Keg and forced carbonation is mandatory. Also, the flavour profile is very dissonant compared to other beers.
You started a war here, accept the consequences!
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!LOL. Who says? NEIPAs are made the same way other ales and lagers are made. Water, Grain, Yeast and Hops. Sours also stand out like a sore thumb, but they're some of the best beer in the world. Just because you don't like a certain style doesn't mean it's not a style. Ales and lagers can be as different from one another to the point where someone who knows nothing about beer wouldn't even think they're both beer! A Russian Imperial Stout is as far from a German Pilsner as OJ is from milk.
I'm not going to beat a dead horse, and this thread will most likely dive into the "Keep IPAs clear! thread", but long live the NEIPA
Atta boy. I am drinking beer. LOL. Oh, and it is a homebrew Lemon Drop single hop Pale, just to make sure it still qualifies as beer. LOL
Mate, if you had worked as a brewer in a commercial brewery, including a craft brewery, over 10 years ago and you presented your boss with a NEIPA, you'd have been lucking with just getting fired. Let's just stop pretending NEIPA is a legitimate beer style. If people want to drink it, though, I'm fine with that. I don't actually have a problem with NEIPA as such. Other people do.
Over here in the real world, it was first brewed 20 years ago at a commercial brewery in Vermont. I'm pretty sure nobody got fired. But maybe the inventor owned the brewery, so there's that.
You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper....
Then your boss would have been incredibly short-sighted and would be kicking himself in the pants over not brewing a new style which started a revolution, created 1000s of jobs and made millions of dollars. And tastes delicious.
Compared to what real beer is worth, globally, something like a few hundred billion dollars, iirc, the incy-wincy NEIPA market is very 'niche'. More in line with a barly-based hop cocktail, I'd guess.
Compared to what "real beer" is worth globally, craft beer is very niche. The global beer market is dominated by "products... made for people who dislike beer."
I could easily argue the same about your view of beer globally, but I won't. It doesn't change the fact NEIPA doesn't look or taste like beer. Anyone can see and taste that. It's not just me. You need statistics for that?
