CliffMongoloid
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I just put this recipe into BrewToad if you want to grab it from there.
http://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/heady-topper-v4-from-hbt
580 ibu?
I just put this recipe into BrewToad if you want to grab it from there.
http://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/heady-topper-v4-from-hbt
580 ibu?
CliffMongoloid said:580 ibu?
also, you put in 10 oz of hop shot. That can't be correct?brewski09 said:Brewtoad adds post boil hops as if they were boiled for the entire time (such as 20 minutes post boil/whirlpool is calculated at 20 minutes of boil time). Also, the IBU calculator on brewtoad is worse than the old hopville one was, especially at higher gravity. FWIW, the Rager calculator has troubles at this level too.
also, you put in 10 oz of hop shot. That can't be correct?
Completely agree. This recipe came out to be 117 on BrewSmith with my equipment.Looks like Brewtoad's calculations are goofy. Should be in the 110 range with those additions.
This is the first BrewToad recipe I've put in that used the Whirlpool and Dry Hop options. It's definitely wrong. Don't pay attention to the IBUs! Also, I found no way to change the IBU formulat to Rager, which is what I use normally.Brewtoad adds post boil hops as if they were boiled for the entire time (such as 20 minutes post boil/whirlpool is calculated at 20 minutes of boil time). Also, the IBU calculator on brewtoad is worse than the old hopville one was, especially at higher gravity. FWIW, the Rager calculator has troubles at this level too.
also, you put in 10 oz of hop shot. That can't be correct?
Very true, it's not correct, but unfortunately, BrewToad doesn't allow the unit of measure to be mL for the hops section. I do state in the notes below that it should be 10mL of Hop Shot.aha good catch. This should be 10ml. (not 10oz ~~ 300ml)
barrooze said:Completely agree. This recipe came out to be 117 on BrewSmith with my equipment. This is the first BrewToad recipe I've put in that used the Whirlpool and Dry Hop options. It's definitely wrong. Don't pay attention to the IBUs! Also, I found no way to change the IBU formulat to Rager, which is what I use normally. Very true, it's not correct, but unfortunately, BrewToad doesn't allow the unit of measure to be mL for the hops section. I do state in the notes below that it should be 10mL of Hop Shot. This was more of an experiment to see how good (or bad) BrewToad is. I like some of the features the site offers, but it seems to be lacking a lot in terms of standard recipe formulation and flexibility.
I went to a bottle share yesterday that had an auction and take a look at what I won:
Two cans of HT, one signed by John Kimmach (I also won a koozie, not pictured). All because one of the guys knows some guy who somehow knows John. And this guy sent an email to John saying we were doing a charity raffle and he sent them! That's pretty awesome to me!
Unfortunately my Heady clone didn't turn out as good as it should have. It has a little bit of a Belgian taste. It tastes a little thin (most likely from the dryness as it finished at 1.005), but actually has a sweet taste that is very similar to attenuated sugar. I blame the Conan yeast more than anything, as that is certainly where the Belgian taste comes from and most likely that sweet taste too. My temperature went over 68* at various point during secondary fermentation (was up to 75* one morning when the building jacked the heat up to 85* in my apartment from 78* the night before), and I also bottle conditioned at room temperature. Another likely culprit is the oxidation (and maybe infection) that I'm sure occurred from the airlock being knocked off inside my Cool Brewing cooler for a day or so right before I bottled. I'll probably give this clone another shot, guess I'll have to make sure my airlock stopper is in much tighter in the future. And since my stupid building feels the need to excessively jack up the heat at times, I will keep the temperature in the low 60s at all times when I use Conan yeast. I probably will also change the way I mash and ferment so FG is closer to 1.010, but I like dry beers and if that was the only issue I'd be pretty happy with this beer.
JPBrewer said:did u get your from Yeast Geek? Mine went bad too, very Belgian to the point of undrinkable. I am pretty disappointed.
Got it from an actual can of Heady. No question it is the temp. I've done quite a few starters with Conan and the starter beer will taste Belgian if the temp goes above 70. The bottom line is that I am going to be extra careful to keep my temps in the low 60s - even after primary fermentation - to make sure my Conan beers don't go Belgian. It's almost enough to make me go back to WLP090.
I wonder if it's a mainstream strain of Belgian yeast and we just don't know it yet. Can you describe the Belgian qualities you are getting?
I wonder if it's a mainstream strain of Belgian yeast and we just don't know it yet. Can you describe the Belgian qualities you are getting?
did u get your from Yeast Geek? Mine went bad too, very Belgian to the point of undrinkable. I am pretty disappointed.
Petekiteworld said:I'm not sure what crappy conan everyone had been using. I cultured mine about a year ago from some cans and it has been awesome with lots of peach and great attenuation.
eandersen said:Just a heads up, months ago I emailed the alchemist asking about their yeast and they did confirm that it is English in origin.
They didn't change their yeast. Poor reporting by BYO.
+1
There is a nice dialogue on themadfermentationist.com under his Conan ipa or Conan yeast blog entry.
What are ya'll typically paying for yeast geek yeast?
jglazer said:So Conan would be perfect for a Belgium IPA right?
So Conan would be perfect for a Belgium IPA right?
Petekiteworld said:I made a belgian stout with it.... not the best hybrid choice...
No it wouldn't be appropriate for a "Belgian" IPA, sorry pet peeve of mine. So long as its a healthy culture and fermented well Conan is suited for many styles but I would never classify it as Belgian. In my experience at least.
So it gives off Belgium type notes when coerced, but it doesn't give off good Belgium notes is what you are saying?
When in roman do as the romes!
So it gives off Belgium type notes when coerced, but it doesn't give off good Belgium notes is what you are saying?
I have never gotten anything Belgian from Conan in over a year of using the strain, its always come across as a non flocculent English strain to me.
There are tons of great Belgian strains out there to use instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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