AB was just sued for watering down their beer, who knows how long that has been going on. How much do they think they stole during that period of watering down beers?
Sigh...
AB was just sued for watering down their beer, who knows how long that has been going on. How much do they think they stole during that period of watering down beers?
Come on, you're better than that. If you have kids, is this the kind of example you'd want to be setting for them? You know deep down it isn't right.
Character is how you act when no one is watching.
AB has 50% of the beer market, I think they can handle losing kegs here and there.
And yes it would be different if it were from Rogue or Stone.
Instead of making a long drive to the brewery, why not make a short drive back to the beer truck that you saw on the side of the road?
You think it was coincidence that you saw that truck on the side of the road AND then you found a keg?
That is the conclusion that I jumped to. I never once thought you should drive back to a brewery that is so far from you.
I do conclude that you had no right to that keg.
Enjoy the beer.
AB was just sued for watering down their beer, who knows how long that has been going on. How much do they think they stole during that period of watering down beers?
The Law said:7-104. General theft provisions.
(a) Unauthorized control over property.- A person may not willfully or knowingly obtain or exert unauthorized control over property, if the person:
(1) intends to deprive the owner of the property;
jumping ahead a bit:
(3) In a prosecution for theft by possession of stolen property under this subsection, it is not a defense that:
(d) Control over property lost, mislaid, or delivered by mistake.- A person may not obtain control over property knowing that the property was lost, mislaid, or was delivered under a mistake as to the identity of the recipient or nature or amount of the property, if the person:
(1) knows or learns the identity of the owner or knows, is aware of, or learns of a reasonable method of identifying the owner;
(2) fails to take reasonable measures to restore the property to the owner; and
(3) intends to deprive the owner permanently of the use or benefit of the property when the person obtains the property or at a later time.
I did turn back toward the truck, (that was driving, not on the side of the road) but did not catch back up to it. I don't know which way he went.
For everyone's moral serenity, I just contacted the brewery. I was told to enjoy the beer and next time I'm in town, stop by and swap the keg for a case of beer and a tour.
While I did say that I was going to enjoy the beer from the get-go I never said that I was keeping the keg, or even implied I was going to. I still conclude that I did not steal anything, My conscious is still as clear as it ever was.
No but for the sake of arguing, the brewery does in fact own the keg, which is what is in question.
I didn't mean for this to turn into the moral conversation about keeping/stealing kegs, but it did.
For everyone's moral serenity, I just contacted the brewery. I was told to enjoy the beer and next time I'm in town, stop by and swap the keg for a case of beer and a tour.
Aaww c'mon guys. You tryin to tell me if you were in the same situation,that you wouldn't keep it?! They'd have to dump the beer legally anyway. And how could you know who lost it? I don't think the truck stopped in that spot,or he likely wouldn't have been able to walk away with it.
The last time I used the keg for a deposit was over 10 years ago and you can guess what it is being used for now...
Have I always made the correct decision? No. Does this make me morally superior to anyone else? No.
I would probably call the distributor. I would be tempted to keep it though. I don't believe the OP was doing anything malicious here. Sometimes it's good to sit and think a second about the best course of action.
Many times I've been given change for a purchase that was more than I paid in the first place. I admit, as I walk out the door counting my money and realize I gave the lady $5 and she gave me change for a $20, I am tempeted to keep walking. I try to let the better part of me prevail and turn around and explain what happened. Have I always made the correct decision? No. Does this make me morally superior to anyone else? No.
Son: "Daddy, why did you take that?"
finsfan: "Because, son, it belonged to a rich person, he won't miss it."
Son: "So it's OK to steal?"
finsfan: "No, no, of course not. It's only OK to steal from people so rich that they'll barely notice it."
Son: "But how do you know if someone is rich enough that it's OK to steal from them?"
finsfan: "That's the great part, son! You get to decide!"
OK, official apology to OP.
Sorry fellow brewer.
It is easier to look back now and see that your intentions were not malicious.
Once again I say to thee: "Enjoy the beer"
I only mentioned that keeping a keg from AB is a little different than keeping one from a craft brewer.
What if I pay the deposit on a keg, I can keep it then right?
And I'm trying to point out that it's not.
Chad_C said:What if I pay the deposit on a keg, I can keep it then right?
I forget the details but, I was once buying some bulk speaker wire. Was supposed to be s'thing like $5 a foot and got rung up at $0.55 a foot. I saw the total and flat out said "That can't be right. Look at it and try again." And the very cute cashier re-rang the items up at $0.05 a foot. I said, "Are you sure about this" she said "Yes. Definitely!"
Yep. I walked.
Your conscience may be clear but your moral compass is most definitely off.
Directly from the dictionary:
1) steal: to take surreptitiously or without permission
So to summarize, you took the beer and the keg without permission.
That is stealing.
Then you come on to HBT and look for people to congratulate you. Like some others have said, I think you are going to find the majority of HBT users are going to find that unacceptable.
Son: "Daddy, why did you take that?"
finsfan: "Because, son, it belonged to a rich person, he won't miss it."
Son: "So it's OK to steal?"
finsfan: "No, no, of course not. It's only OK to steal from people so rich that they'll barely notice it."
Son: "But how do you know if someone is rich enough that it's OK to steal from them?"
finsfan: "That's the great part, son! You get to decide!"
Wow. I guess I'm in the minority. All kidding aside, it would never even occur to me to keep such a thing if I knew who the proper owner was.
I just got a little more disillusioned with humanity. I thought the folks of HBT were better than that.
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