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Clint Yeastwood

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I have to ask: am I the only one who prefers his own beer to nearly everything else?

I finished making my first post-comeback beer a few days ago, and I overcarbonated it. It took several days for it to recover so I could get a beer that wasn't all head at first and then low on bubbles. Today it's perfect. I can open the faucet all the way, and it gives me about 2.5 inches of foam and still has the carbonation zing it needs.

I had some Old Rasputin the other day, and it amazed me. It changed the way I think about beer. But other than that, I like my own brews best. And I'm not going to sit around every day drinking imperial stout. Most of the time, I'm going to want to be down around 6%.

I love a beer that's exactly what I imagined when I first tried to write the recipe. No matter how good factory beer is, it's not tailor-made.
 
Depends on my mood and the beer

Sometimes I just want a can of something while I'm fishing or camping.

Homebrew is for enjoying with friends or at home with dinner. Like this Tripel I'm enjoying with Chimichurry flank steak and roasted sprouts
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I have had my own beers worse than the worst industrial/craft beers I've tasted. Dumpers happen.
But among my good beers, I've never had a factory-made brew tasting to me better than mine.
I very seldomly buy factory-made beers, only to compare the originals to my clones. Every time my clone wins. Every time, no exceptions to date. Even when the clone is flawed (i.e. doesn't taste too close to the original) it tastes better.

Prior to picking up the brewing hobby I had little idea on how much off-flavours factory-made beers had in them. It's only now that I've come to discern cardboard, cabbage, skunk, musty whiffs and shyt in my former store-bought favourites. My clones don't have those (they do sometimes have flaws, but of a different kind, mostly because of the screwed water chemistry or foreign yeast infections).

My beer isn't ideal by any means but it's perfect to my own personal taste. Task accomplished.
The next major task is to learn growing and curing my own Tobacco to perfectly fit my personal taste.
 
I have had my own beers worse than the worst industrial/craft beers I've tasted. Dumpers happen.
But among my good beers, I've never had a factory-made brew tasting to me better than mine.
I very seldomly buy factory-made beers, only to compare the originals to my clones. Every time my clone wins. Every time, no exceptions to date. Even when the clone is flawed (i.e. doesn't taste too close to the original) it tastes better.

Prior to picking up the brewing hobby I had little idea on how much off-flavours factory-made beers had in them. It's only now that I've come to discern cardboard, cabbage, skunk, musty whiffs and shyt in my former store-bought favourites. My clones don't have those (they do sometimes have flaws, but of a different kind, mostly because of the screwed water chemistry or foreign yeast infections).

My beer isn't ideal by any means but it's perfect to my own personal taste. Task accomplished.
The next major task is to learn growing and curing my own Tobacco to perfectly fit my personal taste.
Man, where do you live?!

I only found one beer here that had off flavours and that was the disgusting astra urtyp, which still is almost drinkable.

Even the cans below 40cent per 0.5 l taste kind of decent here :D.

.....ok if I start looking into "craft" beers here, I can find everything from oxidation to cloying sweetness. But big commercial beer is always at least decent here... Except Astra. Astra is always bad. Just bad.
 
Man, where do you live?!
Actually, in two far-apart localities. When I don't live in The Baltics, I live in Eastern Mediterranean. And vice versa.
If I lived in Germany or England I probably wouldn't have started brewing in the first place. I started brewing exactly because the beer choises available in my both localities were surprisingly similar and totally unsatisfactory to me. Even those ridiculously priced English and German imports, "aged" on the top shelves of the stores not in the good sence of the term.

...Well, to not be unjust to the Fatherland, I most probably wouldn't have started brewing if I lived in The Baltics all the time either.
But then came Eastern Mediterranean, where I live most of the time. Not that there isn't any decent beer at all, but that's a very special place that teaches you to better be self-sufficient for most of your special needs.
So I did, at least for beer.
 
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Okay I suppose I'll be the first to say it then: No, I am not my favorite brewer.

Off Color (Chicago) still makes my favorite beers, Odd Bird (local, run by a former homebrewer) still nails it on every style they make, and I've yet to make a stout that measures up to Old Rasputin.

I anticipate I will never be able to make the wild barrel-aged beers as good as Off Color and Goose Island, but I'm hoping to eventually brew the standard styles that fit my taste better than other commercial examples. Perhaps some day...
 
That would be me.
I cannot remember the last time I purchased beer to drink, I always have two kegs of my homebrew on tap at all times.
I admit that I do buy some cheap beer to pour in a pot when I'm making brats - there's no way I'm wasting my homebrew to simmer brats only to toss it later.
 
That would be me.
I cannot remember the last time I purchased beer to drink, I always have two kegs of my homebrew on tap at all times.
I admit that I do buy some cheap beer to pour in a pot when I'm making brats - there's no way I'm wasting my homebrew to simmer brats only to toss it later.
I think bad beer is actually better for certain dishes. I would not boil a sausage in homebrew.

In Kentucky, there is a local delicacy called beer cheese. You mix flat beer, cheese, Worcestershire sauce, and some other things. It goes on crackers. It's wonderful. People fight over which brand is the best. I make it myself. One version with IPA, and another with Busch.

I wonder if anyone has posted a recipe here.
 
Has Germany experienced a craft beer explosion like America, or are you forced to buy foreign beer when you want something your grandfather couldn't get?
Not really an explosion. "Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht!" Is key in Germany. Recent years have given us some new "craft" breweries but most of them really are just not good. With the few exceptions of course.
 
Short answer to the original question...yes and no!

Yes, I prefer my own beer to some commercial beer and in some cases think that my beer is better than a commercial version I am trying. But on the other hand, there are plenty of great commercial beers out there that make me go "F**k, why is my beer not this good?. I brew a lot of lagers, and there are two great lager breweries in New England, Notch here in Mass, Schilling in NH. I will make a great, say Czech Dark lager, that does fantastic in comps, but then drink either of those breweries versions and they just blow me away and make me realize mine pales in comparison.

Also have a guy in my club, who was a fantastic homebrewer and now brews professionally...I would take any of his beers over my homebrew anytime. I strive to make beers as good as he does! He has this altbier (both his homebrew version and a one off pro version) that are out of the world, and every time I make one, it just is not as good. He did give me one tip on a secret ingredient (psst...Cologne Malt) in his alt, that helped my last version get a lot closer though!
 
I am, but I also recognize there are many brewers much more talented and dedicated than me. For beers that drink well "fresh" we have an advantage, my first RIS was nearly a drain pour. (too proud to admit it was, in fact, a drain pour)

Some of my homebrews have been my absolute favorite, but I would never dream that my beer can be the same profile with the accuracy that the big beer companies can produce. Are we getting closer to this as homebrewers? Sure but lets face it, very few of us are master brewers.

Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht! (some people are afraid to try new or are content with tradition). If I remember correctly, traditional German hop growers helped our generation stumble upon the N. American hop explosion. I'm certainly glad they did!!! Maybe the market is just too strong in traditional style. Looking forward to my visit this fall!
 
Okay I suppose I'll be the first to say it then: No, I am not my favorite brewer.

Off Color (Chicago) still makes my favorite beers, Odd Bird (local, run by a former homebrewer) still nails it on every style they make, and I've yet to make a stout that measures up to Old Rasputin.

I anticipate I will never be able to make the wild barrel-aged beers as good as Off Color and Goose Island, but I'm hoping to eventually brew the standard styles that fit my taste better than other commercial examples. Perhaps some day...

Also not my favorite brewer. Sure I brew loads of beer that I'd prefer over store bought, but I like to think that brewing is something I can always learn and improve at. A lot of folks don't like to admit it, but I'm not embarrassed to say I've had plenty of bad batches, because I'm always trying new things, and challenging conventional wisdom, and I'm human, I make mistakes and learn from them.

Though I also have to say, even a bad roll your own can be more satisfying than a good factory made.
 
Interesting topic and responses. I too have brewed some excellent beers and had to toss a few along the way. I even had two that were good enough to be copied by pros that are available on the market today. But as one earlier post mentioned Chicago beers, I fully understand. I used to live in the Chicago area. I fell hopelessly in love with the offerings there. That is where I learned to brew and apparently my brewing style reflects the Midwest styles still today. I enjoy my beers very much and prefer them most of the time. But I also enjoy visiting brew pubs and craft breweries as much as possible. Plus there are many offerings that are too involved for me to even attempt. Bottom line, I truly love good craft beers and enjoy the chase of experiencing offerings from everywhere.

I'm sitting at Goat Island Brewery in Cullman Alabama at the moment having a Richter's Pilsner, a recipe from before Prohibition. It is a very good beer but I admit it pails in comparison to an award winning pre prohibition lager that I brewer several years ago. But I still enjoy sampling their offerings.

Brew it, love it and keep on brewing.
 
I think bad beer is actually better for certain dishes. I would not boil a sausage in homebrew.

In Kentucky, there is a local delicacy called beer cheese. You mix flat beer, cheese, Worcestershire sauce, and some other things. It goes on crackers. It's wonderful. People fight over which brand is the best. I make it myself. One version with IPA, and another with Busch.

I wonder if anyone has posted a recipe here.
Guinness beer-battered and deep fried cauliflower is really tasty too.
 
Man, where do you live?!

I only found one beer here that had off flavours and that was the disgusting astra urtyp, which still is almost drinkable.

Even the cans below 40cent per 0.5 l taste kind of decent here :D.

.....ok if I start looking into "craft" beers here, I can find everything from oxidation to cloying sweetness. But big commercial beer is always at least decent here... Except Astra. Astra is always bad. Just bad.
Can confirm, was in Hamburg on a booze buying weekend trip a few years ago, and Astra was the worst.
Even seemed many bars refuse to sell it.
 
Can confirm, was in Hamburg on a booze buying weekend trip a few years ago, and Astra was the worst.
Even seemed many bars refuse to sell it.
That is a politically captured beer. Astra is the beer of the lefties. So if you are selling it as a bar, it's kind of a political statement. Makes me giggle a bit that the socialist/Communist/leftie guys have chosen the worst beer on the market. Should serve them well me thinks!
 
There's nothing wrong with preferring one's own beer over all (or nearly all) other beers, but folks shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that means their own beer is necessarily better. The brewer (whether commercial or home brewer) is the person least capable of judging his/her own beer. I wrote a BYO article about this several years ago. For anyone interested and in possession of a BYO online subscription and maybe a case of insomnia: How Good is Your Homebrew? Get the Best Feedback on your Beer
 
I will join the No crowd. I am nowhere near as good as the pro's, so I enjoy my beer cause I did it, but I enjoy a good brewery done beer as well cause they are much better at it than I am. Racer 5, Hazy little thing IPA from Sierra Nevada, Blind Pig and Pliny, and a few others are my go to beers from stores. But, I will surely enjoy one of mine simply because I did it. LOL.
 
There's a sticker out there I've seen, "I brew the beer I drink". That sums it up for me but I still try other home brews by folks in the local club I belong to or if they bring something over. I still try all of the craft beers if they fit the styles I like. Even as a home brewer I feel we should support the craft industry as much as we can. Some of them were the pioneers that have made our home brewing easier to do.

I've been home brewing since around 1985, starting out with very primitive equipment and ingredients for that matter. Not much of either available in those early days. I too have lots of dumped beers but that's part of the learning process.

Keep brewing, keep learning and enjoy!
 
Nope, I am not my own favourite brewer, although I'm starting to make some nice brews.
I don't think I would have started brewing if I had stayed in the Netherlands with the big choice of Belgian & German beers.
I really like Belgian beers and can't get them unless I brew them.
So yes, here I prefer my brews (although I do enjoy our local lager).

I just like beer and I like brewing ;)
 
Makes me giggle a bit that the socialist/Communist/leftie guys have chosen the worst beer on the market. Should serve them well me thinks!

Communist beer must be schitty by definition.

I won't share my personal experiences from the times of the Communist occupation of the Baltic states, although I have something to recall, even though I was young and undemanding back then, and even though The Baltics were - beer-wise, I mean - the most privileged colony of the USSR.
I'd better refer to a less subjective source: a Soviet book of 1974 in Russian I downloaded and read recently, which contains Soviet State Standards for some 60 beers from three Soviet republics: Russia, Ukraine and also Latvia (from which, the latter, I originate from). Most of the beers in there are modified knockouts of European traditional styles: Pilsners, Bohemian Dunkels, Bocks etc. The main distinguishing thing is that each and every style is "optimized" in the sence of replacing Barley malt, because of economy, with considerable doses of adjuncts: mostly Rice, but also Raw Barley, Maize, Soybeans, Beet Sugar etc. The only classic all-barley-malt beers in the book are those grandfathered from the pre-occupation times, like the Pilsners of Riga (annexed in 1940 from Latvia) and Lwow (annexed in 1939 from Poland). It seems the Politbiuro allowed people on the newly-occupied territories, accustomed to real lagers, to keep enjoying their favourites (those grandfathered beers were hard to come by in the stores, however) while the Ruskies themselves were deprived of even such a luxury and their beer of choise (90% of the Soviet brewing output actually) was Ziguliowskie Piwo, a bastardised Wiener made of up to 50% Raw Barley fermented with Aspergyllase.

When in the 1970s there happened a Barley crop shortage in the USSR, the government had to purchase a large batch of brewing grain from Denmark. The quality of the Danish grain was so immensely higher than the Ukrainian Barley the Soviet breweries usually employed, they had to create a specific beer to brew from it - the Senču Alus ("The Forefathers' Beer"), distributed exclusively in the occupied Baltic Stastes. It was nothing more than a simple-and-nice all-grain Hellesbier, but it was a rarity on the Soviet beer market. The rest of the empire had to be content with the 50%-Adjunct Ziguliowskie, so the Ruskies used to travel to Latvia from Russia by car or by train to get back home some crates of the rare "real beer" from there.

Etc.

Please let me avoid the titanical topic of the GDR brewing - I hope there are people here who could say more on the subject than I can. To hell with the centuries-long German brewing heritage and Reinheitsgebot, they said. To hell with the capitalist brewing economy, they said. Then they had East Germans seeking for West German brews on the black market and paying several times their retail price at home. As it happens everywhere the Communist/Socialist markets exist.

I wish those Leftie-beer brewers and Astra-promoters to get somehow back into the USSR and to spend there some 20 or 30 of their most productive years, being limited to at best 3 kinds of "optimized" beer at their local stores. I also whole-heartedly wish them to experience fist fights in kilometer-long cues for anything other than the Aspergyllase swill. That's the true Communist way of drinking beer, it would be a shame to not let them enjoy it.
 
Communist beer must be schitty by definition.

I won't share my personal experiences from the times of the Communist occupation of the Baltic states, although I have something to recall, even though I was young and undemanding back then, and even though The Baltics were - beer-wise, I mean - the most privileged colony of the USSR.
I'd better refer to a less subjective source: a Soviet book of 1974 in Russian I downloaded and read recently, which contains Soviet State Standards for some 60 beers from three Soviet republics: Russia, Ukraine and also Latvia (from which, the latter, I originate from). Most of the beers in there are modified knockouts of European traditional styles: Pilsners, Bohemian Dunkels, Bocks etc. The main distinguishing thing is that each and every style is "optimized" in the sence of replacing Barley malt, because of economy, with considerable doses of adjuncts: mostly Rice, but also Raw Barley, Maize, Soybeans, Beet Sugar etc. The only classic all-barley-malt beers in the book are those grandfathered from the pre-occupation times, like the Pilsners of Riga (annexed in 1940 from Latvia) and Lwow (annexed in 1939 from Poland). It seems the Politbiuro allowed people on the newly-occupied territories, accustomed to real lagers, to keep enjoying their favourites (those grandfathered beers were hard to come by in the stores, however) while the Ruskies themselves were deprived of even such a luxury and their beer of choise (90% of the Soviet brewing output actually) was Ziguliowskie Piwo, a bastardised Wiener made of up to 50% Raw Barley fermented with Aspergyllase.

When in the 1970s there happened a Barley crop shortage in the USSR, the government had to purchase a large batch of brewing grain from Denmark. The quality of the Danish grain was so immensely higher than the Ukrainian Barley the Soviet breweries usually employed, they had to create a specific beer to brew from it - the Senču Alus ("The Forefathers' Beer"), distributed exclusively in the occupied Baltic Stastes. It was nothing more than a simple-and-nice all-grain Hellesbier, but it was a rarity on the Soviet beer market. The rest of the empire had to be content with the 50%-Adjunct Ziguliowskie, so the Ruskies used to travel to Latvia from Russia by car or by train to get back home some crates of the rare "real beer" from there.

Etc.

Please let me avoid the titanical topic of the GDR brewing - I hope there are people here who could say more on the subject than I can. To hell with the centuries-long German brewing heritage and Reinheitsgebot, they said. To hell with the capitalist brewing economy, they said. Then they had East Germans seeking for West German brews on the black market and paying several times their retail price at home. As it happens everywhere the Communist/Socialist markets exist.

I wish those Leftie-beer brewers and Astra-promoters to get somehow back into the USSR and to spend there some 20 or 30 of their most productive years, being limited to at best 3 kinds of "optimized" beer at their local stores. I also whole-heartedly wish them to experience fist fights in kilometer-long cues for anything other than the Aspergyllase swill. That's the true Communist way of drinking beer, it would be a shame to not let them enjoy it.
Funny and sad at the same time. I got many friends from the ex communist countries and my girlfriend is Polish. I have friends from Latvia too btw. :D So I know about the stuff first hand, her parents told me many storys, my friends and their parents told me storries.... Those storries are hardcore to the bone. Different countries, same outcome. A sane person definitely does not want this type of thing in their live.

Every time I see a "modern communist/socialist" I do not know what to do. Really. So much ignorance. Unbelievable.

Only in a free country, you have the freedom to be this dumb.
 
So without commenting on the inaccurate labels that authoritarian police-states give themsleves that bear little resemblence to the actual idealogy they enforce in pretty much every nation on earth and respond to the original question;
For myself, my own brews are not as good as my all-time favourites:
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/4028/17885/or
https://www.blacksheepbrewery.com/But they are significantly 'better' than my usual cheap, but still very satisfying
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/155/42/and somewhere in there is the homebrew of the woman whose stout inpired me to brew my own.
:bigmug:
 
Interesting stories/perspectives @Miraculix and @Protos, thanks for sharing.

I would say I'm mostly my own favorite brewer. The beers, at least locally in Iowa City, are rubbish. I'm more in to lagers than I am ales, but I've been saying for a while now, especially more recently, that it's never been a better time to be a homebrewer. If you go to the store, it's difficult to get anything that isn't a fruited/pastry sour, pastry stout, NEIPA, or a f*cking hard seltzer. The lagers that are sold are bereft of any malt character and are way over hopped.
So, yes, I prefer what I brew to anything else locally available.
I like various commercial beers, mainly from the bigger breweries in the UK, Germany, and Belgium, and a few US/Mexican lagers.
 
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