Edcculus
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Thats comparing apples to oranges. Having a fill line on beer glasses is easy. We aren't talking about liquor pouring.
bars don't gouge on booze either they pay a hell of a lot more for beer or booze than we do.
Lets say your local bar pours an american pint where 15% of the beer is missing due to headspace. Every 6.66 beers you drink you will have been missing 1 entire beer.
So technically.....you order 7 beers, and you've really only drank 6 beers. But you still pay for that 7.
Each keg that is supposed to serve 165 pints actually ends up serving 190.
WHY IS NO ONE ELSE AS ANGRY AS I AM!?!?!?!
You know what you are getting when you buy a beer, you are an adult, the bar owner is an adult, you live in a free country. You can do business or not. Nothing to be mad about.
I mean, really: people get up in arms about raising taxes on beer but shouldn't worry about getting less poured than paid for at a bar?
Oh, so insulting people is the way to go?
How is it false advertising? At no bar that I go to does it say 'beer $4.50 per pint' (or whatever). It lists the price for a beer and that's it. That may be misleading, but it's not 'flat out false advertising.'
Also, I think you need to chill the hell out with this rape stuff.
Thats comparing apples to oranges. Having a fill line on beer glasses is easy. We aren't talking about liquor pouring.
I wouldn't call it gouging, but the average bar really isn't paying that much. I worked for a restaurant that now has beer, I think a keg of Miller costs them like 60-65 bucks. They sell 12 oz's for 4 bucks. Thats what, 165 beers. So they make $660 per keg. A $600 profit!
Alcohol is almost always the highest margin product in any restaurant. The rest of the operations normally have profits margins of 2-3%.
My big argument is that why is this happening in the first place? The bar makes enough money on the beer already, why squeeze that extra bit out of the consumer? Its unnecessary and its bad business practices. Sooner or later people really will get angry about it.
I don't understand why Europe can have pint glasses with simple pint markings on them and we can not. Is it really that expensive or difficult to slowly changes your bars glassware? I would not think so.
For those of us that frequent bars and request Pints, if you go once a week to a bar and drink 5 beers you will have been short poured 37 beers each year. Thats $259.00 a year if you pay $7.00 a pint. People change car insurance companies for less savings then that. I would wager that requesting a full pour is easier than changing car insurance companies.
There's no reason you can't. Have you asked for it from your local bar owner? Do you send back low shaker glasses for a top up?I don't understand why Europe can have pint glasses with simple pint markings on them and we can not.
I think durability too. I don't know if everyone elses are the same but my nonic glasses are pretty fragile compared to my shakers.I think that price and availability is the motivation.
There's no reason you can't. Have you asked for it from your local bar owner? Do you send back low shaker glasses for a top up?
Lets be honest though, most bars aren't catering to us. We're the kind of beer drinkers that make up a very small percentage of the typical bar's customer. I'd be happy to have a decent beer on tap, be served a glass with a bottle, or get a glass that isn't frozen. Maybe in the future a larger percentage of the country will appreciate beer as a food more and that will change. I'd pick my battles now.
Now if you feel like the solution to being robbed of 1 beer of every 7 is a government regulation program, I would contend (philosophical stances on the purpose of government aside) that you're going to lose that 1 beer in 7 either way. If the bar isn't shorting it to you in the glass, the government is going to be taxing you that 1/7 beer to pay for the regulation committee, inspectors, etc to implement the burea of the real pint.
Ymmv, but I'd say pick your battles and take any issues you have with the pour to the proprietor. If you don't like his response, don''t give him your business.
I think durability too. I don't know if everyone elses are the same but my nonic glasses are pretty fragile compared to my shakers.
I wouldn't call it gouging, but the average bar really isn't paying that much. I worked for a restaurant that now has beer, I think a keg of Miller costs them like 60-65 bucks. They sell 12 oz's for 4 bucks. Thats what, 165 beers. So they make $660 per keg. A $600 profit!
Places I go to even some of the chain places have it Bottled beer X dollars . draft small X$ and large X$ . Bet you dollars to donuts if they made a reg as to pints all places would just go large and small on drafts. The friend I have only uses the the 16 once pint glass for all draft beer. And just say's draft price is $ .
I've swiped glasses from a local brewpub because I was pretty sure I was getting under-served. Low and behold, I was! Now...how can I got about telling them this without mentioning that I took one home for a bit of testing? I don't know, but the bottom of the 'pint' glass is so thick that I was pretty sure I was getting screwed!
I've swiped glasses from a local brewpub because I was pretty sure I was getting under-served. Low and behold, I was! Now...how can I got about telling them this without mentioning that I took one home for a bit of testing? I don't know, but the bottom of the 'pint' glass is so thick that I was pretty sure I was getting screwed!
It is equally annoying to me with wine glasses. They never have the right glass the wine is always served either to warm (red) or too cold (white) Most places do not have different glasses for red or white. Red wine by the glass is almost always oxidized. And even though it is better to not be ripped off, they always fill up to the top in small glasses, so you can't smell it. I went to one resturant where the wine came in a small decanter and you could pour how much you wanted in your glass at a time.
There are places that do serve in decanter or in the bottle but really most places have no idea how to serve wine ... damn most of the servers arent even old enough to drink. Stop ordering wine at the Olive garden dude...
I've swiped glasses from a local brewpub because I was pretty sure I was getting under-served. Low and behold, I was! Now...how can I got about telling them this without mentioning that I took one home for a bit of testing? I don't know, but the bottom of the 'pint' glass is so thick that I was pretty sure I was getting screwed!
I don't order wine out because of this. I never said I order at Olive Garden. I actually work at the New York Wine and Culinary center. I was just pointing out that most wine is actually server so wrong it is actually spoiled. So with beer at least is is usually still fresh and drinkable.
joke hence the But I wont order wine at most places because of the things you stated.
Hey, no joke, I was at an Olive Garden years back and someone ordered wine. The kid managed to pour out the entire bottle into our four glasses all the time explaining to us that they'd just taught him how to pour wine. Those were the fullest wine glasses I've EVER seen!
My local brewpub has the glasses marked with a line that says "The Pint Stops Here." I always liked that!
imagine what nutjob is going to start screaming about "big government" taking over their freedom to pour crappy pints.
joke hence the But I wont order wine at most places because of the things you stated.
Alcohol is almost always the highest margin product in any restaurant. The rest of the operations normally have profits margins of 2-3%.
Nope, never, food and restaurant has a much better margin because you take cheap fresh food and turn it into meals and sell your labour, beer is not a good profit maker, a coke makes much more for the bar than alcohol does.
So your pissed they didn't give a full pint so ya stole a glass .... makes perfect sense to me
I don't know where you're working, but theres absolutely no way that a $55 keg being sold for in excess of $800 doesn't make a good profit margin.
haha, I was wondering if anyone was going to bring that one back around. The glasses have nice heavy bottoms, I like them. Maybe if I take enough of them they'll buy new, proper size glasses? Doubt it. Regardless, they charge enough for their 'pints' for a glass or two to go missing.
I don't know where you're working, but theres absolutely no way that a $55 keg being sold for in excess of $800 doesn't make a good profit margin.
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