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What limits are really about (at least most other places) is to have some kind of marker which makes it easy to get evidence of an unlicensed commercial operation, not to keep people from getting too much alcohol. "Temperance" seems to be the idea behind our limits, but this is stupid since alcohol is more easily and cheaply obtained without brewing it

Of course it is, but their argument strikes a cord with many in this state.

Don't forget that this is the state that once again elected Roy Moore as Chief Justice and voted a dead man into office simply because he had an "R" next to his name.

Whether we agree with it or not, the church has a very strong hold on politics in this state and ALCAP has the ear of the church.

When they make an argument that can't be or isn't answered, no matter how nonsensical it would appear to a sensible person, it carries some weight.
 
^ Specific churches... And mainly just one overly self righteous one.

For once at least we catholics aren't to blame...

I think they are actually a tiny minority of the Christians in the state, but the problem is that they are organized through ALCAP to contact their legislators. If you polled the population, I bet we'd have around 95% on our side, but only avid, informed homebrewers are likely to contact their legislators, so a few aberrant religious groups can outnumber us.

People think of Baptists on this, but I was a Baptist until 2007 and know a lot of Baptists. Many of them do some drinking and very few (Southern) Baptists would actually favor prohibition.

Last year I poked around the ALCAP website (yes, I have fun looking at sites on Crank.net too). I think what we are dealing with here are mainly some off-brand Baptist, Presbyterian, and Pentecostal churches. For example, I know that "Independent Baptists" (they despise Southern Baptists) are very anti-alcohol. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few Southern Baptists and PCA (not PCUSA) Presbyterians in on this, but not the mainstream.

The problem is that if only 2-3% of the population is in an ALCAP connected church, they outnumber home brewers in the state and they are being told it is their Christian duty to contact their representatives. And few homebrewers in the state are connected and organized as are these churches.

Of course, our real problem may be the childish antics of the warring factions in our legislature. Then there is the fact that very few of them would consider this a priority, viewing it as only an issue of personal freedom (so out of fashion) concerning a law which isn't enforced anyway.
 
"Independent Baptists" are hit or miss. My grandfather converted and most of them that maintain that stance had some family oriented drama that pushed them to that polarized stance.

Won't go into labels for any of the other groups as I'm pretty sure it would degrade into inappropriate jokes. ;) Although in the Pentecostal's defense I know of a local priest in church near our home who homebrews and openly supports this legislation with his congregation. I know this because my Aunt called me to ask questions about it. Nevertheless, I don't believe they're in quite as big a minority as you suggest though but that's just my opinion.
 
Yikes. Scratch the above... I'm thinking of Episcopalian<sp> rather than Pentecostal. Don't know why I always mix the labels on those but I always have.
 
When they make an argument that can't be or isn't answered, no matter how nonsensical it would appear to a sensible person, it carries some weight.

Absolutely. Nonsensical arguments or questions can be the toughest to answer. If you go through several sentences to explain why it is nonsense, you've lost your audience due to short attention spans. One of my frequent job hazards as a professor is the non-sensical, often incoherent questions which are asked publicly. I have to quickly try to guess what the student really wants to know and then attempt to answer it without embarrassing them. Well, I don't have to, but that's the kind of nice guy I am.

Some arguments seem compelling until you dig deeper.

If not for alcohol, we wouldn't have alcoholism. Yes, but how many are actually healthier both physically and mentally due to moderate alcohol consumption? Studies indicate many more than those whose health suffers due to alcoholism.

There are guys who beat their families only when drunk, so it seems that eliminating alcohol would eliminate this abuse. However, alcohol is a tranquilizer so this behavior is not normal. How many guys are kinder to their families because they drink? Probably a lot. It is certainly harder to annoy me if I've got a few beers in me.
 
Yikes. Scratch the above... I'm thinking of Episcopalian<sp> rather than Pentecostal. Don't know why I always mix the labels on those but I always have.

Oh yes, we can pretty much count on any liturgical churches to be on our side, but it is unlikely many will be posting Right to Brew materials around church.

I just remember "Baptists" and "Presbyterians" were mentioned on the ALCAP website as being among their associates. I don't think it could be big among Southern Baptists, nor among PCUSA (more liberal) or PCA (conservative) Presbyterians. I have several old friends who are PCA pastors and who also post some beer positive things on Facebook. If drinking were even controversial in PCA, I can't imagine them doing so. I know a little about the more fundamentalist Baptist churches and almost nothing about the more fundamentalist Presbyterian churches, but they do exist and I'm pretty sure they are more likely to go for things like ALCAP. But, as you say, they are a mixed bag--that's why they keep splitting into more and more little denominations.

Whoever they are, they are out there and there are enough to make trouble when they are organized.
 
What's the difference between Baptists and Catholics? (Besides the religious ones...)

Catholics will say "Hi" to you in the liquor store!

Carry on...
 
And it's official, we are the one and only state left where its completely illegal and not at least gonna be legal shortly....

Kids drink their first beer by the age of nine? What?? Uhh.. maybe a sip from their parents... but seriously? Never heard of binge drinkers under 13 years old :drunk:

I'm a Presbyterian and homebrew haha
 
Another issue that comes into play here is the fact that home brewing is illegal and it is hard for most to get vocal about making it legal without drawing attention to the fact that some of us are brewing in direct violation of the law.

If you are fighting to keep it illegal you can make all of the noise that you want without any danger. If you are fighting to legalize it, getting too vocal could actually land you in jail or at the very least jeopardize you livelihood.
 
catdaddy66 said:
What's the difference between Baptists and Catholics? (Besides the religious ones...)

Catholics will say "Hi" to you in the liquor store!

Carry on...

Q: Why do you always take 2 Baptists fishing and never just 1?

A: If you take just 1 he'll drink all your beer.
 
Alabama Home Brewing Bill In Works, But For Now State Is Only To Forbid Making Beer At Home
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If you're in a state where cousins can legally marry each other, but home brewers are forbidden to practice their craft, you must be in Alabama.

Indeed, Alabama now stands out as the only state where home brewing is illegal. Mississippi voted this week to legalize the hobby lager lovers and hopheads in America have enjoyed, even before George Washington and Sam Adams boiled up their first brews.

Alabamans don't just get slapped with a ticket if they start mixing up a batch. It's a felony.

But to a feisty band of Yellowhammer State tipplers, it's ridiculous for the government to meddle with their malt. They won't be satisfied until Alabama has the same rights enjoyed everywhere else in the country.

"This is not about alcohol. This is about civil liberties," said Kraig Torres, owner of Hop City Craft Beer and Wine in Birmingham. "If I went around in Alabama and said, 'you can't have a gun in your house,' I'm pretty sure people would be upset."

Residents who want to buy shotguns, rifles or handguns don't need permits, licenses or registrations. However, it's unclear how regulations apply to gunsmiths who forge firearms in their residences.

Torres lives in Georgia and operates his flagship store there. While he'd like to sell beer-making ingredients and cookbooks in his Birmingham venture, he has gotten into trouble with the Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board.


In September, before he opened Hop City, state agents inspected the store. Torres said they confiscated $7,000 worth of beer-making kits and cookbooks on a follow-up visit. A lawyer for the beverage control board told HuffPost that Torres removed them from the store after he was told they were contraband.

Alabama maintains a fervent temperance movement. It's been 80 years since Prohibition's demise, but there are 25 dry counties in the so-called "Heart of Dixie." Some teetotalers there wish the libations had never started flowing again.

"We're talking about a mind-altering, addictive drug," said Joe Godfrey, a pastor and executive director of ALCAP, a group that opposes loosening any restrictions on alcohol. "This isn't barbecue. People are killed on the highways. You hear all the time about people being killed under the influence of alcohol. You never hear about people getting killed by barbecue."

Torres' experience was a rare instance of the state enforcing the home-brewing ban, according to interviews with home brewers and an Alcoholic Beverage Control Board lawyer. Just this month, however, a prosecutor in Mobile County was disciplined for flouting the home brew restrictions, Al.com reported.

Home-brewing advocates said the felony status scares away some and forces others into the shadows even though the chance of punishment looks slim.

"Home brewers would like to be able to practice their hobby in the open. They have to be fairly secretive," said American Homebrewers Association Director Gary Glass. "It just doesn't make sense that it would be prohibited. Many of the Founding Fathers were home brewers including George Washington and Thomas Jefferson."

Bills to legalize home brewing sit in both houses of the Alabama legislature awaiting a vote. It's the third straight year legislators have proposed changes to the home brew law.

Partisan squabbling on unrelated issues may derail it again, according to observers and local media reports.

"We hope it passes so we can move onto more important business," said Bob Martin, an ABC board lawyer. "We really don't care. It's a hobby. It's not our real concern unless we found out someone was making it and selling it illegally. Generally, we're not going to go into their homes."

If passed, the bills would allow Alabamians to whip up limited quantities of intoxicating drinks like beer and wine. Liquor would remain off-limits. It would also pave the way for tasting events and competitions, advocates told HuffPost.

Home brewing was for outlaws and scofflaws throughout the country as a result of Prohibition until then-President Jimmy Carter signed a federal law decriminalizing the pastime in 1978.

Hobbyists cheered Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant for ending the state's ban this week.

"I'm going to have a pint with friends at our local bar in town and then open a bottle of home brew at home" to celebrate, said Craig Hendry, president of Raise Your Pints, a group that hired lobbyists to overturn the ban.

"We want to be talked about in a positive light, not as another state that was the last to do something."

Editor's note: To be fair to Alabama, 19 other states allow first cousins to get hitched too, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
 
Apparently ALCAP has no issue with marrying your own cousins though eh? :)

Also, SUGAR is a mind altering addictive drug that can be fatal when consumed too. Kids are pushed to it early and become addicted almost immediately. Where the hell is ALCAP for that one? Oh, my mistake... They're perfectly fine with the original gateway drug.
 
Someone in my county (which is a dry county) got busted with a moonshine still last week. That's exactly the kind of bad press I was hoping we could avoid. Unfortunately, a lot of folks around here see no difference between moonshine stills and homebrew.

On the up side, moonshine has a long and mostly good history around here. I've heard there are operating stills in the national forest, but I don't know for sure -- and don't care to know. So maybe it won't be an issue either way.
 
They go in order just about all the time. There are some cases where they can move around, but it's not common.
 
To be fair, if i'm not mistaken we got a higher percentage of Dem support than Rep when it came to the vote last time. Granted we had a good bit of Rep support too but if the prior trend continued we should do well.
 
To be fair, if i'm not mistaken we got a higher percentage of Dem support than Rep when it came to the vote last time. Granted we had a good bit of Rep support too but if the prior trend continued we should do well.

My question was not intended to be political, but factual. Ever since the Repubs forced through the school voucher bill, the Dems have been protesting by demanding that every single bill be read in its entirety, which was reducing the calendar to one bill per day (many bills are hundreds of pages long).

For the record, I identify as a conservative (libertarian) who votes independant. Most of my votes do tend to go Repub, but the Dems alway get a few of my votes every election cycle. I vote for people/policies, not parties.
 
The Dems wanted to send a message that they were pissed about the school voucher bill.
I am of the opinion that things will go back to "normal" when spring break is over.
I don't think they want to keep it up for the rest of the session or nothing will get done and they will be to blame. You can only saber rattle so much before you commit political suicide.
I think that is why our bill is on the SoC for the first day back.
Mac knows what he is doing.

Note: I don't know if any of you listened last year when the bottle size bill was voted on. The first time the bill went up for a vote the Dems protested not getting any pack money so they voted it down. It was all for show because the bill came back up the next business session and was passed out of the house with very little debate. It was so fast I almost missed it.
 
The Dems wanted to send a message that they were pissed about the school voucher bill.
I am of the opinion that things will go back to "normal" when spring break is over.
I don't think they want to keep it up for the rest of the session or nothing will get done and they will be to blame. You can only saber rattle so much before you commit political suicide.
I think that is why our bill is on the SoC for the first day back.
Mac knows what he is doing.

Note: I don't know if any of you listened last year when the bottle size bill was voted on. The first time the bill went up for a vote the Dems protested not getting any pack money so they voted it down. It was all for show because the bill came back up the next business session and was passed out of the house with very little debate. It was so fast I almost missed it.

I agree with al of the first half of your post. And yeah, I do remember that silly protest last year.

Hopefully, posturing and nonsense won't kill us yet again.
 
to correct everyone its not a school voucher bill. it allows parents to move their kids from schools that have been deemed as failing to a better public or private school. if they move them to a private school they'll qualify for up to a 3500.00 tax refund to help pay for that. if they move to another public school the tax money simply follows them to that school. but back on topic now
 
I agree with Aubie in that it will probably spell the end of the public school system in Alabama as we know it. I'm just convinced that's a bad thing. The school system down here is so awful we're already considering yanking ours out in favor of home schooling (until the propaganda pushers get it forbidden anyway).


That said, I wasn't trying to attack your statements... Merely to point out we've gotten modest support from Democrats. IE, they're not all Alvin Holmes with his Chivas Regal....
 
Bottom line, the perp is an idiot to be brewing in a dry county, and is probably fortunate with the way things played out.

That said, from the linked article, the picture with the guy holding the 'shine clearly shows a beer rig and a carboy of beer. So our idiot not only was brewing in a dry county, he had some bought 'shine on the premises, which clearly didn't help his case.

Meh...

Cheers!
 
This is the "still"

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So our idiot not only was brewing in a dry county, he had some bought 'shine on the premises, which clearly didn't help his case.

They sell "shine" in mason jars at the liquor store all over the place around here. Georgia Moon and Ole Smokey are two that come to mind. Peel the paper label off and it looks just like what Barney Fife is holding up.

Also, there is currently no legal difference in brewing in a wet vs dry county in Alabama.
 

This was a mighty fine event! We had about 350 folks come through the Brewery today. Had 25-26 "legal homebrews" on tap. The event started at 2pm and the first sixtel blew around 4:30. Most folks only brewed one sixtel, so once it blew that tap closed down. By 6pm, we were down to about half the number of taps.

The weather put a damper on the crowd. Had the rain held off, I think the crowd would have stayed strong. Once it got to raining good, the incoming folks slacked off and the crowd started to shrink.

There were at least 3 TV stations there, so maybe we will see some media from the event soon!
 
I agree with Aubie in that it will probably spell the end of the public school system in Alabama as we know it. I'm just convinced that's a bad thing. The school system down here is so awful we're already considering yanking ours out in favor of home schooling (until the propaganda pushers get it forbidden anyway).


That said, I wasn't trying to attack your statements... Merely to point out we've gotten modest support from Democrats. IE, they're not all Alvin Holmes with his Chivas Regal....

I am a product of that school system. I probably went to one of the bottom 10% of high schools (BC Rain)in one of the worst school systems in the Nation. I turned out OK. I provide comfortably for a family of 4, wife doesn't have to work. School/education is what the student and their parents make of it. Just my opinion. :off: sorry for the diversion.
 
BamaProud said:
I am a product of that school system. I probably went to one of the bottom 10% of high schools (BC Rain)in one of the worst school systems in the Nation. I turned out OK. I provide comfortably for a family of 4, wife doesn't have to work. School/education is what the student and their parents make of it. Just my opinion. :off: sorry for the diversion.

I for one am not convinced. You did turn out to be a homebrewer! ;)
 

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