Well i made a great deal today...i found a wine store that i drive by on the way to work and decided to stop in and see if they had any brewing supplies...turned out that they had a back room with a little bit of everything...i saw 8 brewers best kits.sitting on a shelf...so i read the date code and noticed they were made in april of 2004...so i asked the guy about them and he said he was trying to unload all the brewing stuff just to get it out of the store..so i asked him if i bought every beer kit he had what he wanted ...he sold me every one for cost which worked out to about $12 a kit...these kits were marked at $23 each..what the hell i bought all 8..3 steam beers,2 stouts,2 american micro brewery pale ales,and 1 india pale ale...for a total of $96..no taxes because it's considered food at this stage...i may have to buy fresh yeast but it's still a grea t deal...lucky me...