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Old 11-18-2011, 01:57 PM   #11
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Personally, the shortest amount of time I leave a beer in the primary is 2 week, but 4-6 weeks is my standard. You don't need a secondary unless you want to clear the beer more, or add additional ingredients.
I've been reading several of the long primary vs. secondary threads and had decided on skipping the secondary with my next batch until reading this quote. Does the secondary really help increase clarity? Or is that also debatable?

Also, I am brewing an ESB tomorrow. Is that even a brew where I should worry much about clarity?
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:00 PM   #12
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I've been reading several of the long primary vs. secondary threads and had decided on skipping the secondary with my next batch until reading this quote. Does the secondary really help increase clarity? Or is that also debatable?

Also, I am brewing an ESB tomorrow. Is that even a brew where I should worry much about clarity?
I've never found the need to "clear more" after a month in primary my beer is crystal clear. I think folks who long primary and then rack to secondary are kinda missing the purpose of long primaries, AND delaying the process til beer drinking longer.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:04 PM   #13
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I've been reading several of the long primary vs. secondary threads and had decided on skipping the secondary with my next batch until reading this quote. Does the secondary really help increase clarity? Or is that also debatable?

Also, I am brewing an ESB tomorrow. Is that even a brew where I should worry much about clarity?
I suppose I should put that in perspective from personal experience. Leaving a beer sit longer will inevitably allow excess mass to fall to the bottom. When moving my primaries in order to bottle or keg, it tends to kick up sediment, along with anything a racking cane is resting on when transferring. So a secondary helps minimize the amount of sediment can be re-dispersed into the beer when you have to disturb the vessel. I hope that makes more sense.

Edit: And I guess I can see how that statement was confusing. It was really two statements. I was NOT suggesting letting a beer sit in primary for 4-6 weeks and THEN racking to secondary. Yes, that would be about pointless unless you finally wanted to do something to the beer again.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:09 PM   #14
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I suppose I should put that in perspective from personal experience. Leaving a beer sit longer will inevitably allow excess mass to fall to the bottom. When moving my primaries in order to bottle or keg, it tends to kick up sediment, along with anything a racking cane is resting on when transferring. So a secondary helps minimize the amount of sediment can be re-dispersed into the beer when you have to disturb the vessel. I hope that makes more sense.
Makes perfect sense, actually. This might be something I do because I am going to be storing my beer in an upstairs closet and then bringing it downstairs to bottle in the kitchen.

Hmmm... just when I had my mind made up, this board gives me something else to consider. That's a good thing, though.
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Makes perfect sense, actually. This might be something I do because I am going to be storing my beer in an upstairs closet and then bringing it downstairs to bottle in the kitchen.

Hmmm... just when I had my mind made up, this board gives me something else to consider. That's a good thing, though.
You'll want to consider bringing it down the night or day before - carrying a full carboy is almost certain to kick up sediment, whether or not you use a secondary.
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You'll want to consider bringing it down the night or day before - carrying a full carboy is almost certain to kick up sediment, whether or not you use a secondary.
And then you put it in a bottle and let it carbonate and settle out for a couple weeks or even months and all the sediment you kicked up when you moved it is stuck to the bottom of the bottle. Your beer will still be clear.
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Also, I am brewing an ESB tomorrow. Is that even a brew where I should worry much about clarity?
ESB yeast is SUPER flocculant. If you did everything right up until bottling, then you have nothing to worry about. The worst you could possibly have is a little chill haze, but that should be a non-issue if you use some irish moss/whilfloc and get a halfway decent cold break. Since gelatin mainly removes yeast, and this yeast is going to be flocced out anyway, it's not necessary.

So no, you don't have to worry about clarity on the ESB.
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