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Old 03-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #1
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Anyone have a Goose Island Honker's Ale clone recipe? I can't find one for the life of me, and this is one of my favorite beers. I want to see how close to the real thing I can make one. This is the closest thing I can find, but really don't want to order a kit.

http://www.undergrounddigital.com/perfectsignature.htm

I was wanting to go the my LHBS and brew this weekend possibly. The Goose Island website stats are: 4.3% ABV, 35 IBU, 14.5 SRM.



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Probably would not go with that kit either - describes the beer as American Style Pale... but the Honkers Ale is obviously an English Style Pale/Bitter...

You can probably craft a reasonably decent clone going by what they give you on the site and some brewing software... If I get bored today I'll try to throw something together (with the caveat that it will be an untested 'clone'), I like this beer as well...



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Who am I kidding? I love to toy around in Beersmith. I wish I could brew all the recipes I draft up in there, but I just can't drink it fast enough. Anyway, here is my attempt at a 'clone'. Please note its untried and untested, so don't bash me if its way off target. This is close to the IBU, SRM, ABV given by GI and I tried to use ingredients that would give the taste descriptors they used (malty, spicy, etc)... So, definitely do let me know if you brew this though:

Recipe: RBBC Quackers Ale
Style: Special/Best/Premium Bitter
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (40.0) Attempt at clone of GI Honkers Ale...

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.20 gal
Estimated OG: 1.045 SG (4.3% ABV Commercial - This OG is close)
Estimated Color: 11.9 SRM (14 SRM Commercial)
Estimated IBU: 34.5 IBU (35 IBU Commercial)
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 lb Marris Otter (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 68.57 %
2.00 lb Munich Malt - 20L ('Dark') (20.0 SRM) Grain 22.86 %
0.75 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 8.57 %
0.33 oz Northern Brewer [8.50 %] (60 min) Hops 10.8 IBU
0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (60 min) Hops 9.6 IBU
0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (25 min) Hops 6.7 IBU
0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (15 min) Hops 4.8 IBU
0.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (10 min) Hops 1.7 IBU
0.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (5 min) Hops 1.0 IBU
1 Pkgs SafAle English Ale (DCL Yeast #S-04) Yeast-Ale

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 8.75 lb
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 10.94 qt of water at 164.8 F 153.0 F

Notes:
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My stab at Honkers Ale clone. Close on all the standard measures given by
GooseIsland.com (see above). Also, within the style guidelines for a Special
Bitter. Caramel flavors from the 60L, good malt backbone from the Munich 20L
and MO. (Very) evident hop bitterness, flavor, and aroma for a 4.3% ABV beer.
Use primary EKG hops (although I'm not sure what GI uses) as they are typical
in English Bitter and GI describes the beer as slightly 'spicy', also a descriptor
for EKG hops. I haven't brewed this yet, but if you do LET ME KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT! Even if its not a dead-on clone, it should be a nice English 'Pale Ale'!

To convert to extract, try to find some John Bull Marris Otter LME and Munich or
Amber LME to replace the Munich, steep the Crystal 60L. For mini-mash, just replace the bulk of the MO malt with extract and mash some MO, all the munich, and the Crystal.

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That looks like something to try! I probably will go ahead and brew this recipe tomorrow if I can get to the store. I would be doing the extract recipe- how many lbs of extract would this be? I have EKG hops but no Northern Brewer, any suggestions on a replacement? I noticed that clone kit I posted the link to used cascade hops, would they be out of place?

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That looks like something to try! I probably will go ahead and brew this recipe tomorrow if I can get to the store. I would be doing the extract recipe- how many lbs of extract would this be? I have EKG hops but no Northern Brewer, any suggestions on a replacement? I noticed that clone kit I posted the link to used cascade hops, would they be out of place?
Cascade would be out of place IMO. Their take on it was "American Pale" which citrus is accurate, but per GI themselves, this is a beer, "from the pubs in England" (just a way overcarbed version haha). However, for bittering hops, almost anything MIGHT work. I used NB b/c it was a little higher AA% and saved some EKG. I wanted to keep it an even 2oz. EKG for purposes of ease. I know some ppl buy hops in 1oz. packets or whatnot. You could bitter with more EKG or another hop. What do you have and maybe we can pick the best substitute.

I'll run the conversion to extract in Beersmith. As I noted, Marris Otter LME would be best if you can get it, but good old pale might work as well. I have no clue if GI uses regular 2-row or MO...

EDIT: ~6lb of extract gets you right where you need to be OG-wise... that's a little less than 2 cans of the JB Marris Otter if I'm not mistaken. If you are getting regular old bulk LME, get 5lb pale, 1lb amber or something?
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This is the closest thing I can find, but really don't want to order a kit.

http://www.undergrounddigital.com/perfectsignature.htm

Do not...repeat....DO NOT order from undergrounddigital.com.
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I have the following:

Cascade
Centennial
Fuggle
Simcoe
Amarillo
Liberty
Perle
EK Goldings
Santiam

For the color, I'll try to put that in a color calculator. 60L might give more caramel flavor than Honker's Ale really has, or am I wrong? The amber ale I have used that I think and it has a very noticable caramel taste.

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Originally Posted by Big10Seaner
I have the following:

Cascade
Centennial
Fuggle
Simcoe
Amarillo
Liberty
Perle
EK Goldings
Santiam

For the color, I'll try to put that in a color calculator. 60L might give more caramel flavor than Honker's Ale really has, or am I wrong? The amber ale I have used that I think and it has a very noticable caramel taste.
Well, I tried to put lower L Crystal (40L) in the recipe to get the color near the 14SRM GI claims and no luck. It took well over a pound, which you do not want... I don't know that the Crystal 60L will be all that bad. You want SOME flavors from malts coming through as the 35IBU is going to be dominant in a 4.3% brew... If you have 40L feel free to use that... the color will be a little light, but I doubt you'll even notice. Plus, for me, if the taste is there, I could care less about color honestly...

As for the bittering... you can definitely mix in some Fuggle to this recipe and stay perfectly within style. It would be a nice smooth bitterness too. That's probably your best bet to be honest. Of course you'll need more than the .33oz that I used for NB... Maybe 2/3 (.66) oz considering its probably half the AA% of the NB.
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By the way, thanks for all of your help! I will let you know how this turns out!

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Definitely do... I love the Goose Island Honker's Ale, but can't get it around here. I would brew this for sure if its close.

The main thing I'd be worried about is that GI tries to make this beer sound more English than it actually is on their website. In which case, my purely English spin on this beer might end up a bit off. So... I'm counting on their sincerity! Haha...

In any case, if you like English pales/bitters/special bitters, you should enjoy whatever the result is... Are you using the S-04 yeast? I would think an 'English Ale' strain would be best as it attenuates a little bit less than some, leaving behind some malt sweetness that you'll need with a 35IBU, 1.045 beer...



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