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I placed an order for 2 kits of brew last week. I got liquid yeast, 1 propagator and 1 activator I think. I noticed it shipped on Friday, and was immediately worried it would sit in a warehouse all weekend. I included one cold pack for the yeast, and it arrived on the porch today. At 104 degrees outside I guess the cold pack didn't hold up and the yeast packages were damn hot.
I make starters for the yeast. Should I be concerned?
 
Nope, happens to me all the time. I live in Alaska and order from two Online Brew Stores from Arizona. I usually pitch and brew the vial the same day i get it. If it came with and ice pack i don't bother with a starter and get a krausen in about 3 days. If no ice pack i usually make a starter and get krausen in just under 2 days after pitching. Its really up to you but I don't get worried anymore.
 
Oh by the way these are White Labs..not sure how well Wyeast ship although I doubt there would be much difference. I usually get my kits ordered on monday and receive them next tuesday
 
Yeah, thats true listen to Revvy dude knows it all. But I order from the same supplier and got comfortable pitching my yeast right into the wort. I'm sure It will be my down fall on one of my brews.
 
Yeah, thats true listen to Revvy dude knows it all. But I order from the same supplier and got comfortable pitching my yeast right into the wort. I'm sure It will be my down fall on one of my brews.

It's really a good idea to make starters when using ANY liguid yeast for all beers above 1.020 OG...

The biggest reason I suggest folks make a starter is if you make one you'll have peace of mind. It's especially important if you have questionable situation happenning with your yeast, like not being sure the yeast arrived healthy. ;)

And you won't be starting an "is my yeast dead" thread in a couple of days.

Making a starter first insures that your yeast is still alive and viable before you dump it in your beer. You will be less likely to start one of those "is my yeast dead?" threads that are on here every day.

You will also ensure that you have enough yeast usually the tubes and smack packs are a lot less yeast that you really should use for healthy fermentation.

Making a starter also usually means your beer will take off sooner, because the first thing that the little buggers do in the presence of wort (whether in a flask or in a fermenter) is have an orgy to reproduce enough cells to do the job...So it won't take such a long time in the fermenter since they started doing it in the flask.

Additionally it is better for the yeast to consume and reproduce incrementally rather than just dumping them into the fermenter...The yeast will be less stressed out than if you just dump them in.

Stressed out yeast can lead to a lot of off flavors...maybe even (though rare) the dreaded autolysis....Or the curse of 1.030....getting a stuck fermentation because the yeast have bit the dust.

So making a starter proves your yeast is still healthy, allows you to grow enough yeast to do the job, cuts down on lag time, and ensures that you will not get off flavors or stuck ferementations from stressed out yeast.

Also has to do with the actual pitch rates of the smack packs and tubes, and has to do with the data that Jamil Z has on his mr malty website.

I'll quote some of it, but really you should look at the stuff there;

http://www.mrmalty.com/pitching.php

Ales & Lagers

The general consensus on pitching rates is that you want to pitch around 1 million cells of viable yeast, for every milliliter of wort, for every degree plato. A little less for an ale, a little more for a lager. George Fix states about 1.5 million for a lager and 0.75 million for an ale in his book, An Analysis of Brewing Techniques. Other literature cites a slightly higher amount. I'm going with Fix's numbers and that is what the pitching calculator uses.
The Math

If you're curious, here is the simple math to calculate the number of cells needed. For an ale, you want to pitch around 0.75 million cells of viable yeast (0.75 million for an ale, 1.5 million for a lager), for every milliliter of wort, for every degree plato.

(0.75 million) X (milliliters of wort) X (degrees Plato of the wort)

* There is about 3785 milliliters in a gallon. There are about 20,000 milliliters in 5.25 gallons.

* A degree Plato is about 1.004 of original gravity. Just divide the OG by 4 to get Plato (e.g., 1.048 is 12 degrees Plato).

So, for a 1.048 wort pitching into 5.25 gallons you need about 180 billion cells.

(750,000) X (20,000) X (12) = 180,000,000,000

As an easy to remember rough estimate, you need about 15 billion cells for each degree Plato or about 4 billion cells for each point of OG when pitching into a little over 5 gallons of wort. If you want a quick way of doing a back of the envelope estimate, that is really close to 0.75 billion cells for each point of gravity per gallon of wort. Double that to 1.5 billion for a lager.
Pitching From Tubes, Packs, or Dry Yeast

Both White Labs and Wyeast make fantastic products and you can't go wrong with either one. There are differences between their strains and each brand has pluses and minuses yet neither is better than the other across the board. Use the brand your local homebrew shop carries, if you need a way to decide.

A White Labs tube has between 70 and 120 billion cells of 100% viable yeast, depending on the yeast strain. Some cells are much larger than others and there are more or less per ml based on size. (The information on the White Labs web site stating 30 to 50 billion cells is out of date.) We can just assume there are around 100 billion very healthy yeast. You would need 2 tubes if you were pitching directly into 5.5 gallons of 1.048 wort to get the proper cell counts.

A Wyeast Activator pack (the really big ones) and the pitchable tubes have an average of 100 billion cells of 100% viable yeast. The smaller packs are around 15-18 billion cells. You would need 2 of the large packs if you were pitching directly into 5.5 gallons of 1.048 wort to get the proper cell counts. For the small packs, you'd need eleven of them!


But to make it easier he has a great pitch rate calculator http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html

And according to his numbers on his calculator, really any beer above 1.020, you should be making a starter for.

Me personally when I use liquid yeast I just make a starter. I may not be as anal as some brewers and makes sure that I have the exact cellcount for whatever gravity beer I am making, but I do make one for the above reasons I mentioned, namely peace of mid, and a reduction in lag time.

Seriously, that's one way to insure you have clean tasting beer, not to stress out or underpitch your yeast. You may find the "bothering" to make a starter will make even the less than best kit beer come out tasting great.

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Revvy speaks the truth. I got a sluggish vial of WLP 320 a couple of weeks ago and a 1.5 liter starter saved me a ton of worry. I made a starter on tuesday night, aerated, put it on a stir plate. In short, I did everything right. But by Thursday night, I still had no noticable activity, no yeast viable anywhere, and the liquid inside the flask smelled of malt extract and nothing else.

But time and persistence paid off. By Friday morning, I had a small krausen. By Friday night, my starter was in full ferment. It was doing so well (and I was concerned enough about viability due to the slow start) that I put off my Saturday brew day until Sunday. Cold crashed my starter all day Saturday, brewed on Sunday and had less than 5 hours lag before I was getting foam pushed through my blow off tube.

Starters work.
 
I have had yeast arrive DOA too much, even with cold packs.

Now, I only buy liquid yeast at the LHBS in the hot months. They have a good selection, will order what I need, and it's only about a buck more.
 
I placed an order for 2 kits of brew last week. I got liquid yeast, 1 propagator and 1 activator I think. I noticed it shipped on Friday, and was immediately worried it would sit in a warehouse all weekend. I included one cold pack for the yeast, and it arrived on the porch today. At 104 degrees outside I guess the cold pack didn't hold up and the yeast packages were damn hot.
I make starters for the yeast. Should I be concerned?

Pattatat, I just ordered a kit from AHS last week during our 100+ degree heat wave here in Dallas and I ordered liquid yeast as well. My "cold pack" was about 95 degrees! I wish I hadn't wasted the extra few cents on that, I thought maybe there would have been some insulation or something around it.
Anyways... I pitched the yeast on Saturday, without a starter, and its been fermenting just fine so far, I'll be taking my first post-fermentation grav reading later today.
 
Two days on my starter and no krausen yet...
I'll give it some more time, might not get to brew Saturday after all
 
Does your tarter have a nice creamy layer at the bottom with a mild alcohol smell to it?
If theres a nice creamy layer in the bottom than It means your yeasties have had an orgie and reproduced I don't get a krausen on my starters just a nice creamy layer of yeast near the bottom?
 
Its hard for me to tell on the smell, I guess it smells almost like wine.
There is yeast on the bottom, I just wasn't sure if it was only what was in the original vial?
pic always helps
Let it go another day or two?

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Very cloudy so i'm assuming you have been shaking it around thats good. If it has an alcohol smell to it you could try and make another starter chill that starter decant it with destilled water and pour that slurry back into it.
 
I had almost the exact same scenario...White Labs yeast from AHB shipped with a cold pack (which was probably pushing 98 in the box). After a 36 hour lag time, had to run to LHBS for a pack of dry Nottingham to come to the rescue. Listen to the good advice posted here...make a starter from here on out and remove all doubt. I've learned my lesson, and will make a starter for every beer from this point forward.
 
Very cloudy so i'm assuming you have been shaking it around thats good. If it has an alcohol smell to it you could try and make another starter chill that starter decant it with destilled water and pour that slurry back into it.

I had it sitting on my stirplate, so it had been being stirred for a couple days.

I went ahead and pitched it, thought I was in bad shape. After about 48 hours, longest lag time I've ever experienced, it started showing signs of life and now its going strong:ban:
 
cool, happens to me all the time even when i make a starter sometimes. I think nothin is going on after the third morning after pitching i keep thinking. Was my work too hot did I kill it... do the brew gods hate me. So i move my bucket around a few times and go to work. When I get back from work 8 hours later a nice thick krausen is sitting up top.
 
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