Would you call this a smash beer?

[jack13]

I just did a cream ale with the following:

Pilsen Malt
Flaked Maize
Flaked Corn

Hallertau hops

Would you consider that a SMaSH beer?

 

[TheMadKing]

Nope

I would call that a cream ale just like you did... what's the difference between flaked maize and flaked corn though?

 

[jack13]

Nope

I would call that a cream ale just like you did... what's the difference between flaked maize and flaked corn though?

I'm sure flaked maize and flaked corn are the same thing, but for whatever reason it's usually referred to as flaked maize in recipes (at least in my experience), and at my LHBS.

And I wouldn't think the terms "smash" and "cream ale" are mutually exclusive.

So to clarify my question. It's more a question of interpretation, where one interpretation could be "Is there one malt? yes? Is there one hop? yes? Then that's a smash beer." but another could be "Yeah, technically, I guess, but you've still got more than one fermentable, so I wouldn't call it a smash." I am simply curious to see what people think.

 

[TheMadKing]

I'm sure flaked maize and flaked corn are the same thing, but for whatever reason it's usually referred to as flaked maize in recipes (at least in my experience), and at my LHBS.

And I wouldn't think the terms "smash" and "cream ale" are mutually exclusive.

So to clarify my question. It's more a question of interpretation, where one interpretation could be "Is there one malt? yes? Is there one hop? yes? Then that's a smash beer." but another could be "Yeah, technically, I guess, but you've still got more than one fermentable, so I wouldn't call it a smash." I am simply curious to see what people think.

Yep sorry for not being clear, I would be in that second camp. It's not a real smash unless it has 2 ingredients, malt and hops. I think an adjunct disqualifies a beer from smash status.

 

[Kharnynb]

I think sugar would just about be allowed in a smash, as long as it isn't more than a cup or so to dry the beer a bit.(personal opinion)

 

[BigJoeBrew]

I consider it a cream ale too. A SMaSH is just that, one malt or fermentable and one hop. You one fermentable could just be flaked corn and one hop and it would still be a SMaSH in my mind. Enjoy your nice refreshing cream ale though!

 

[jack13]

Nope

I would call that a cream ale just like you did... what's the difference between flaked maize and flaked corn though?

Sorry, just caught the real reason behind your question! I thought you more asking why I was calling it maize instead of corn.

Here's what I actually meant to type:

Pilsen Malt
Flaked Maize
Flaked Rice

haha.

And it looks like a consensus is developing as to my question...

 

[kev211]

Ditto on the cream ale. SMaSH IMO would be 1 fermentable and 1 hop

 

[65C]

I made something similar a month or so back - Pils + HH is a really really great combo

I used a bit of Target or something to bitter and over bittered it - it's still a good brew - but I could have used 80% less bittering

I'm going to do a Pils + HH (or Saaz) every 3rd brew now - at about 3.5% - it's great to have some light bottles around so I'm not drinking heavy IPAs and Porters all the time

I used quite a bit of protofloc for that brew and it worked well (I might use a bit more next time) it really benefits from being clear

One tweak I might make is to use some Vienna or Rye or something occasionally - I'll try that flaked corn at some point also.

(I know I've used 'I' about 700 times above but I really can't be arsed fixing it)

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

SMaSH is shorthand for "Single Malt and Single Hop". This is the key to the mystery behind what is and what is not a smash brewed beer.

 

[jack13]

SMaSH is shorthand for "Single Malt and Single Hop". This is the key to the mystery behind what is and what is not a smash brewed beer.

OK, so there's one vote that my beer is a smash--after all it's got a single malt (Pilsen) and a single hop (Hallertau).

I think that makes it:

It's a smash: 1
It's not a smash: 4

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

OK, so there's one vote that my beer is a smash--after all it's got a single malt (Pilsen) and a single hop (Hallertau).

I think that makes it:

It's a smash: 1
It's not a smash: 4

I believe that for the purpose of defining a SMaSH the general consensus is that the primary grist constituents in general fall under the labeling umbrella of malts, whether or not they are actually malted (sprouted) grains. You are attempting to exploit a loophole that does not really exist. Good try though. Clever logic!

 

[jack13]

I made something similar a month or so back - Pils + HH is a really really great combo

I used a bit of Target or something to bitter and over bittered it - it's still a good brew - but I could have used 80% less bittering

I'm going to do a Pils + HH (or Saaz) every 3rd brew now - at about 3.5% - it's great to have some light bottles around so I'm not drinking heavy IPAs and Porters all the time

I used quite a bit of protofloc for that brew and it worked well (I might use a bit more next time) it really benefits from being clear

One tweak I might make is to use some Vienna or Rye or something occasionally - I'll try that flaked corn at some point also.

(I know I've used 'I' about 700 times above but I really can't be arsed fixing it)

Yes, this is a pretty rare occasion where I want it to look refreshing, so will use gelatin (and already also used Whirlfloc). I'm doing this one again because it was so damn good over the summer.

Only down side is that I can't enjoy one after mowing this time of year...or at least by the time it's ready to drink.

 

[jack13]

I believe the general consensus is that the primary grist constituents in general fall under the umbrella of malts, whether or not they are actually malted (sprouted) grains. You are attempting to exploit a loophole that does not exist.

That's exactly what I'm seeing, as well.

Nope, just asking a question because, as I expected may be the case (otherwise I would not have asked), even though something may meet the technical definition of a smash (as you said, it stands for Single Malt, Single Hop), it may nevertheless not be considered one.

 

[beernutz]

The style was called SMaSH because SFaSH doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

 

[kh54s10]

I would say that single malt and single hop also rules out adjuncts like flaked maize and flaked rice. It would be ONLY one malt and one hop. So you have a cream ale. I also don't think the 1 you are counting as a vote for SMaSH really intended to support the premise that it is a SMaSH.

 

[Sadu]

I did a maris otter / simcoe smash beer with 5% sugar added to dry it out. Delicious. Someone here called it a SMaSHaSS which I thought was pretty cool.

 

[jack13]

I would say that single malt and single hop also rules out adjuncts like flaked maize and flaked rice. It would be ONLY one malt and one hop. So you have a cream ale. I also don't think the 1 you are counting as a vote for SMaSH really intended to support the premise that it is a SMaSH.

Yeah, that definitely seems to be the view.

And I totally agree on that last point, too.

 

[kh54s10]

Whatever you want to call it, it sounds like it will be a good beer.