Windows 10 - Finally some sanity

[passedpawn]

OK, I had to update my NVidia drivers. I'm mostly up and running.

[edit] crap, after updating graphics drivers, networking is down. That is a problem.

 

[The_Bishop]

That's odd, the two are unrelated. You don't have Geforce Experience installed, do you? I never install it; don't see what it accomplishes that I can't do myself, and I'm not a big fan of the presets it pushes anyway.

 

[passedpawn]

That's odd, the two are unrelated. You don't have Geforce Experience installed, do you? I never install it; don't see what it accomplishes that I can't do myself, and I'm not a big fan of the presets it pushes anyway.

I downloaded and installed updated Intel network adapter drivers from another computer, installed, and the problem went away immediately.

Everything is working fine now. So, the problems were 1) NVidia drivers were hosed and needed to be updated, 2) Intel network driver was old and needed updating, and 3) I accidentally hit some buttons on my third monitor and changed its input to analog instead of HDMI, which caused some headscratching for a while.

I do have one engineering app that, when run, causes the four cores on my i7 to go to > 50% continuously (even after I close the app). That drives the processor temps through the roof (>60F). I've tried running in compatibility modes, no luck. Might need to update that app, but it's $$$.

 

[passedpawn]

I noticed the small bar at the right of the task bar, the one that would show desktop, wasn't there, but I like the Task View icon in the task bar for the same function.

So far, no real issues. I'm amazed that media player is still way less efficient than VLC when playing high-bandwidth video. They never seem to catch up with that kind of stuff.

I've got lots of odd hardware that connects to my PC. Haven't delved into that yet, but soon.

I noticed there's a way to roll back to Win7 (not likely to be painless). That's good, JIC.

 

[The_Bishop]

That's a strange one. Did you try google searching the issue? Maybe someone else has run into it and found a fix.

Also, if you mouse down to the lower left corner and click it minimizes everything in one shot.

 

[passedpawn]

That's a strange one. Did you try google searching the issue? Maybe someone else has run into it and found a fix.

Also, if you mouse down to the lower left corner and click it minimizes everything in one shot.

Yea, not much out there yet. Lots of red herrings.

lower left doesn't work for me. Maybe because I run 3 monitors. Actually, the bar in the lower right is still there, just very very thin.

 

[dkwolf]

Yea, not much out there yet. Lots of red herrings.

lower left doesn't work for me. Maybe because I run 3 monitors. Actually, the bar in the lower right is still there, just very very thin.

I was just going to say, it's still there....just thinned down.

I just use the keyboard shortcut most of the time.

 

[The_Bishop]

Yea, not much out there yet. Lots of red herrings.

lower left doesn't work for me. Maybe because I run 3 monitors. Actually, the bar in the lower right is still there, just very very thin.

Yeah, got my left and right mixed up for whatever reason. Sorry about that.

 

[passedpawn]

Win10 is running just fine, but I've got one super critical engineering app that is causing CPU cores to go to 80% and temps sky high. Can't seem to get to the bottom of it. I'm looking at the processes that are going wacky now. If I can't get this one app under control, I might have to roll back to Win7.

Too bad, I'm getting used to the new interface.

 

[jcoxen]

Anyone tried doing the Win10 upgrade on a multi-boot system? Does it leave the other partitions alone? Does it leave the GRUB boot process alone? I suppose it would be madness not to back up all the other partitions before trying the upgrade.

Brew on

It's on my list to do in the next week or so. Right now I've got Windows 10 running as a virtual machine on my Linux box...plus I'm testing it at work. As soon as I have some time <cue sardonic laughter> I'm going to try installing Windows 10 into a spare partition next to Linux.

Step 1 will be to make sure that EVERYTHING on my Linux install is safely backed up. It's not that I don't trust Microsoft. It's just that...OK...I don't trust Microsoft.

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Customer: I'm running Windows
Tech: Yes.
Customer: My computer isn't working now.
Tech: Yes, you said that.
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[The_Bishop]

Crazy idea: Try uninstalling/reinstalling said app? Maybe something in the upgrade process didn't agree with it. Had that issue with Chrome; internet connectivity was there but it wouldn't work until I did an uninstall/reinstall.

 

[passedpawn]

Crazy idea: Try uninstalling/reinstalling said app? Maybe something in the upgrade process didn't agree with it. Had that issue with Chrome; internet connectivity was there but it wouldn't work until I did an uninstall/reinstall.

Yep, I did that, no diff.

I did resolve the problem. I had to dl a newer cracked version of the program that was known to work with win8.1. I have a legal (dongled) version 16.0 of the program, but apparently 16.3 was what I needed. (on a side note, I HATE running cracked software; of course there's the ethics, but it's just way too much risk).

Anyway, I'm up and running 100% now. That was easy

I did think about running Win7 in a virtual machine too. Lots of ugly options.

 

[DrunkleJon]

Did you try running the older version in Compatibility mode?

 

[passedpawn]

Did you try running the older version in Compatibility mode?

Yep, back to Vista

I think the problem was with the license mgr software that gets invoked when the app is started, which I might not have been running in compatibility mode. But anyway, I'm beyond all that now.

 

[GrogNerd]

I had upgraded my laptop to Windows 10 and then rolled it back to 7

I have customers asking about our program and compatibility with the upgrade. We've had no problems, but McAfee is glitchy & we're not sure about others

so, I need to be able to tell the customer rolling back is an option

wasn't until after I rolled it back that the Windows 10 Upgrade icon showed up in the system tray, so I clicked it.

apparently the laptop I had successfully upgraded to Windows 10 is not able to run Windows 10

 

[govner1]

Sanity has always been available. It's called APPLE!

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Sanity has always been available. It's called APPLE!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, I think you're being serious. OSX is just a bloated down FreeBSD build essentially. ANd you're paying through the nose to get the computer that runs it, cause Apple really loves making money on their computers. If you want sanity buy your own parts, build your own rig, and run a UNIX build that will you know, be cool

 

[dkwolf]

Sanity has always been available. It's called APPLE!

You're insane.

No, seriously. You are.

 

[The_Bishop]

Oh boy, another 'cult of steve jobs' loony.

I'm just surprised it took so long for you guys to get here. Did you get lost when you stopped to lick every window along the way?

 

[passedpawn]

After using Win10 for a few days, not a big change from 7. I do seem to have faster startups from boot.

I'm still not loving the start menu, but I can get used to it, and I suspect there's lots of customization to it that will make it more usable for me. The tiles are useless, except for the weather one and the news one. I could pin my favorite apps to it, but I have already done that on the taskbar on the bottom (which autohides).

I do like the taskbars on all 3 of my screens. That's pretty neat.

I turned off the web search from the taskbar. Hated that. I just want the indexed search of my PC.

 

[The_Bishop]

Yeah, the cortana thing was kinda neat for a day or two but I've discovered that I'm not using it at all. Probably getting the axe later on today.

First I need to make a batch of wineberry jelly with my daughter.

 

[govner1]

You're insane.

No, seriously. You are.

I started on the dark side w/ MS-DOS 1.0 and supported Microchip for almost 30 years. When my last Windows laptop died (thank GOD) back in 2008 I saw the light and haven't looked back.
My entire household is now Apple, not a piece of Microcrap anywhere.

 

[Hanglow]

I've never understood the Apple v Windows thing. It's probably the most cringeworthy rivalry you will ever see. I've used dos and windows since the mid 80s and never had a problem, seems plenty of people use apple and never have a problem too. Big wow

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

I started on the dark side w/ MS-DOS 1.0 and supported Microchip for almost 30 years. When my last Windows laptop died (thank GOD) back in 2008 I saw the light and haven't looked back.
My entire household is now Apple, not a piece of Microcrap anywhere.

The only PC not running Linux in my house is my work laptop. I never have to listen to my wife or kids complaining about viruses or malware.

 

[The_Bishop]

My wife's laptop is on Linux Mint. It had two appealing aspects: It's virus/malware resistant and free.

It's been working great.

My PC is a windows machine, for one very good reason: I game. Linux gaming is currently a lost cause. Installing drivers for 3d cards is a damned nightmare. In fact, that's Linux's biggest failing: Driver support and installation. My daughter's PC is likewise a Windows machine for two reasons: The first is that's what she uses at school, so it's right in line with her experience there and the second is that like me, she's a gamer.

 

[MindenMan]

I now have Win 10 installed on all four of my machines; three laptops and a desktop and none have any issues anymore. My cheapo Asus laptop was caught in some kind of Win 8.1 update dead loop and kept turning off the monitor while the machine was still running; Win 10 fixed that problem. So far I have no regrets, if anything comes up, I will keep you posted.

 

[passedpawn]

In case anyone has shared folders that are no longer available across the network without a password...

• Network and Sharing Center (just search)
• Change Advanced Sharing Settings
• All Networks
• Click "Turn on sharing so anyone with .... "

I have a large RAID array that I share with media streamers, smart TV, phones, etc. Nobody could get to it without a password since I installed Win10. The above setting change got it working again.

 

[Kent88]

I'm joining the conversation late, but this caught my eye.

My wife's laptop is on Linux Mint. It had two appealing aspects: It's virus/malware resistant and free.

It's been working great.

My PC is a windows machine, for one very good reason: I game. Linux gaming is currently a lost cause. Installing drivers for 3d cards is a damned nightmare. In fact, that's Linux's biggest failing: Driver support and installation. My daughter's PC is likewise a Windows machine for two reasons: The first is that's what she uses at school, so it's right in line with her experience there and the second is that like me, she's a gamer.

I'm currently running linux mint on several machines and it is working great. I will disagree with you that linux gaming is a lost cause, as I believe that many steam games are available for linux, and doing searches for linux games will give you examples of several good options.

On my main desktop I'm also running a video card that supports OpenGL 4. Good games can clearly be made for linux, if only game dev companies would make them for linux (and some are starting to). And Nvidia cards usually have good linux support.

Homebrewers should be giving Linux a hard look as software like Beersmith and Brewtarget (free) are available for Linux.

And when you throw in that Android (for smartphones) is Linux, well, then there are plenty of linux games and I believe that iBrewMaster has an Android port.

 

[DrunkleJon]

Also, about the antivirus stuff. Most antivirus software will have issues when it comes to Win 10. This is because Windows automatically has Microsoft Security Essentials as AV built into the operating system. I wonder when the antitrust lawsuit is going to kick in much like the Internet Explorer one was of years past.

 

[passedpawn]

Also, about the antivirus stuff. Most antivirus software will have issues when it comes to Win 10. This is because Windows automatically has Microsoft Security Essentials as AV built into the operating system. I wonder when the antitrust lawsuit is going to kick in much like the Internet Explorer one was of years past.

MSE automatically disables itself if it detects another anti-virus program is active. At least that's what I read.

You can't turn MSE off (easily). It turns itself back on after some period of time, and certainly after a reboot.