Williams Fireside Clone

[Stevo2569]

Qeelin. Long time man. Yeh mine wasn't spot on but like I said I think I'll modify the recipe and do a 2.5 gallon batch so I don't waste to much grain. I fermented a little high to so maybe that's where the off flavors came from. Let me know if you have any results or advise. Thanks

 

[Qeelin]

Stevo, I was looking back at your mash temp and I if that's right (165-169) I think you mashed way too hot. You may have killed some of your enzymes and that would effect the body of the beer.

Do you know what you got for the OG of the original Fireside and your first clone attempt? I've been working with Beersmith and I think you're right, William's is full of crap. There's no way their numbers are right for anything.

I've made it my mission to clone this beer!

 

[Stevo2569]

Stevo, I was looking back at your mash temp and I if that's right (165-169) I think you mashed way too hot. You may have killed some of your enzymes and that would effect the body of the beer.

Do you know what you got for the OG of the original Fireside and your first clone attempt? I've been working with Beersmith and I think you're right, Williams is full of crap. There's no way their numbers are right for anything.

I've made it my mission to clone this beer!

Sorry I wrote it wrong i guess. That was a partial mash. Since then I'm all All grain.
With the partial mash I held 157-159 for 60 min, then sparged at 170.
There kit 1.068 and 1.035
My partial mash 1.063 and 1.023
I guess the the lactose did help the FG a little but I'm not sure if the off flavors were from it or the higher fermentation temps. Probably the latter. Let me know when you get something. I'm in the same boat as you and hate to pay $50 for something I can make for less than $20.

 

[Stevo2569]

Alright I got this brewing now. I modified it and am mashing high. If not a direct clone it will still be good.

Red Otter(Fireside)2
Irish Red Ale
Type: All Grain Date: 4/20/2011
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer: Sawtooth Brewery
Boil Size: 5.70 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
End of Boil Volume 5.20 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5 gal Est Mash Efficiency 70.0 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 74.7 %
2 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 14.9 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.5 %
6.1 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.8 %
1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [6.10 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 21.0 IBUs
2.50 oz Fuggles [4.20 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 6 21.9 IBUs
1.0 pkg Whitbread Ale (Wyeast Labs #1099) [124.21 ml] Yeast 7 -

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.069 SG Measured Original Gravity:
Est Final Gravity: 1.024 SG Measured Final Gravity:
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.0 % Actual Alcohol by Vol:
Bitterness: 42.8 IBUs Calories: 224.0 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 16.8 SRM
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Full Body Total Grain Weight: 13 lbs 6.1 oz
Sparge Water: 1.28 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 170.0 F Tun Temperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 18.39 qt of water at 173.3 F 158.0 F 45 min
Mash Out Add 6.69 qt of water at 200.8 F 168.0 F 10 min

Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 1 steps (1.28gal) of 168.0 F water
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Keg Volumes of CO2: 2.3
Pressure/Weight: 12.54 PSI Carbonation Used: Keg with 12.54 PSI
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 45.0 F Age for: 30.00 days
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Storage Temperature: 65.0 F
Notes


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[Qeelin]

That is really close. I'm not sure how well BeerSmith calculates the effect mashing at a higher temp has on the FG or the yeast attenuation. You may have done it my friend. I'd be happy with a 1.024 FG if it was close to the Fireside. Let me know how it turns out. I may brew a version of it in the next month or so. I was going to do it next but SWMBO has shown an interest in learning to brew so she's going to brew an extract Kolsch with my help. I'll do mine after that.

Happy Brewing!

Qeelin

 

[Stevo2569]

Thanks for the confidence boost. I'll let you know how good it is in a month.

 

[Stevo2569]

Alright guys. I did the recipe above almost a month ago. Kegged, force carbed the last three days. Still a little under carbed, but delicious. Taste just like the fireside I remember at week 4, although it's been over 8 months I think since I had the real deal. Nice aroma, finished at 1.022, residual unfermentable sweetness is there, color spot on, ABV close(to supposedly ABV), head retention lacking(probably due to under-carbed), but great nonetheless. Cheers!!!!!

 

[Qeelin]

That's awesome! That crystal 60 sure made it dark didn't it? I will definitely be trying this soon.

 

[Stevo2569]

It is slightly darker, but not as dark as it looks sorry for the sh!ty phone pick with bad lighting. It is really good though, I drank several last night and got slightly trashed. It packs a punch! Your sig says you have Fireside Ale bottled, is that the Kit?

 

[Qeelin]

It is slightly darker, but not as dark as it looks sorry for the sh!ty phone pick with bad lighting. It is really good though, I drank several last night and got slightly trashed. It packs a punch! Your sig says you have Fireside Ale bottled, is that the Kit?

Yes sir! I'm saving 3 bottles to compare with a clone.

 

[Stevo2569]

What's your recipe and when you brewin it?

 

[Qeelin]

What's your recipe and when you brewin it?

I'm probably going to take yours and tweak it a little and brew that. If you could change any one thing about the recipe what would it be? I've got an event coming up in November that I want to bring two kegs to. I know that one of the beers I'm bringing will be a Honey Porter but I'm debating on the 2nd. Everyone loves the Fireside so I'm very tempted to try and brew your recipe but I haven't decided yet.

 

[Stevo2569]

Maybe add a few ounces of lactose 6 or so too get the FG up and add a creamier mouthfeel. IDK really. Personally, not tryin to exact clone, decrease the OG a little cause a few of these babies will F you up. But I'm not at all dissatisfied with the current version. It's great. BTW I checked BS and the SRM was 16. What was the kit? I forget. Wish we were closer so we could do a side by side.

 

[Qeelin]

I don't know what the clone was but it wasn't as dark as the pic you posted. When I drink one of them I'll take some pics.

 

[Stevo2569]

Drinking more fireside today. It definitely needs some lactose maybe 6-8oz and switch the C-60 to 1 and C-20 to 2#. That's drops the SRM from 15.7 to 13.1 according to BS. Although the predicted 15.7 looks more like 17.5. Hope that helps. That's my plan next time. Fine tuning this recipe has been a b$tch. F in Williams. Please comment on any progress.

 

[Qeelin]

Will do. I do plan on brewing this before the end of the year for sure.