Why are homebrew people SO cheap??

[ApolloSimcoe]

Taylor Ham to bring home

Taylor Pork Roll!

 

[bracconiere]

Ebonics????
Are you a racist?

i did just look up dilly, i'm still not sure about the foo? but the def for Fo is field officer, and dilly apparently means 'a fine example'...so like i said in my post 'sounds right'?

( and i just had to make comment on a youtube video defending guinan "the magical *****", saying you know she was really famous at the time...so you tell me, am i?)

edit: and it's snowing in S.AZ again! my hose is frozen...and i can't brew my cheap ass 8 dollar 10 gal batch today either! lol

 

[applescrap]

Working more so you can spend more seems a lot more irrational to me. I see it everywhere.

Are you sure about that?

I kinda dug the freebird thing btw.

 

[TNJake]

The way I see it, one way or another you are investing it the process; Time, money, labor, heartache.
It’s what you value the most that makes it a priority. Also, it’s a hobby. What makes it more enjoyable as a hobby to you?
Is it being able to have an ROI (vs cost of purchasing beer) on your equipment/recipe after 15 gallons?
Maybe one takes great pride in the sparkle and complexity of their setup.

Being a manufacturing engineer, I don't mind spending a bit more on the equipment for the sake of repeatability, time saved, and efficiency. But I also value getting great deals on materials, usually in the form of finding common ingredients that I can buy in bulk at reduced prices for use in many of my recipes.

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

This year alone i have built a ferm chamber, bought a second burner, upgraded a kettle, invested in an RO system, bought a keezer, 2 temp controlers, nitro tank, equipment to harvest yeast, and ingredients for 80 gallons. Probably spent close to a grand already. If that's not cheap i don't know what is.

 

[TNJake]

This year alone i have built a ferm chamber, bought a second burner, upgraded a kettle, invested in an RO system, bought a keezer, 2 temp controlers, nitro tank, equipment to harvest yeast, and ingredients for 80 gallons. Probably spent close to a grand already. If that's not cheap i don't know what is.

based on that list, that sounds pretty cheap

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

based on that list, that sounds pretty cheap

Only way to go cheaper now is to start crushing grain. I still generally opt for quality over price of my finished beer.

 

[lump42]

the "time is money" fascination that people throw around does ring true to me, time past does not mean dollars earned, I understand that the OP is trying to say that time is valuable, but he is getting value tied to dollars, not value tied to a hobby, or family time, or fortnite, so when I am brewing I an not working, and by definition not getting paid, i only get paid for about 8 hrs a day 5 days a week then WORK is over then I can do whatever I want and the monetary value of whatever I do out of work is the SAME....$0.

I take the opposite approach after my 40+hrs are up for the week my time becomes 4-5x more valuable, depending on what tasks/favors/side gigs people are trying to get me to do. If it's not something I want to do they get an exorbanate rate. If its fun cheap to free rates. I've tied dollars to my free time as a way to protect it, or at the least they're paying a premium for it. Though I get your point, if I had nothing pulling my own free time away from me, I would quote it at $0 too.

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

based on that list, that sounds pretty cheap

I forgot to mention buying 5 cornys, adding 2 taps, 2 thermowells, and new 30 lb propane tank.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[rjdutch]

I have spent my retirement on home brewing and I'm getting ready to spend more.

 

[BobBailey]

There is a difference between cost and value.

I spare no expense on the things I value, but save on cost where I can in order to afford that luxury.

I see no value in buying base malt by the pound. My cost is cut in half by buying the same malt by the sack.

I see no value in buying hops by the ounce. My cost is about 1/3 when buying the same hops by the pound.

I see no value in buying liquid yeast when twice the cell count of a comparable strain is available for half the cost.

Lemme see, If I brew an average IPA, twice a month, and save about $16 per batch, that's a cost savings of over $400 to spend on something I value.

My wife and I love to travel with our daughter and other family members when we can. This year we're doing 2 1/2 weeks in Ireland, where my wife was born and raised. Maybe the last time we'll see many of her friends and family members. The savings on brewing, dining out. shopping for deals and living debt free allows us to do this on a limited income. Damn the COST, that's VALUE.

 

[TNJake]

Only way to go cheaper now is to start crushing grain. I still generally opt for quality over price of my finished beer.

My wife said she wanted a grain crushing attachment for her KitchenAid. I wonder if that would meet my needs as well

 

[kh54s10]

My wife said she wanted a grain crushing attachment for her KitchenAid. I wonder if that would meet my needs as well

Not likely. Those are meant for cooking which means FLOUR.

 

[Shwagger]

Because fishing is more expensive hobby, New Jersey(makes sense)

 

[BedtimeBrewer]

Are you sure about that?

I kinda dug the freebird thing btw.

Yes, it’s been studied. Once your income reaches a certain level and your basic needs are met, a higher income is no longer correlated with increased happiness. It becomes about ego.

 

[NewJersey]

Yes, it’s been studied. Once your income reaches a certain level and your basic needs are met, a higher income is no longer correlated with increased happiness. It becomes about ego.

I dunno man.. i was just on vacation in florida over a long weekend and rented a supercharged V8 convertible jaguar f type..... Either those studies are wrong or a convertible ferrari 458 is a "need" for me, lol

 

[lump42]

Yes, it’s been studied. Once your income reaches a certain level and your basic needs are met, a higher income is no longer correlated with increased happiness. It becomes about ego.

Disposable income usually doesn't increase at the same rate as increased income. People with higher income spend more on 'necessities' like large homes, higher priced brands, expensive cars. They don't often end up with more 'extra' money for things.

 

[bleme]

Disposable income usually doesn't increase at the same rate as increased income. People with higher income spend more on 'necessities' like large homes, higher priced brands, expensive cars. They don't often end up with more 'extra' money for things.

I saw a study just last month that said 78% of Americans live month-to-month, with no savings. Even scarier is the fact that 10% of people making over $100,000/yr still live month-to-month. Spending everything you have, with no emergency fund, is crazy!

When we were home shopping 10 years ago, we didn't go out and find the best house we could afford. We found the best house we could afford if one of us lost their job.

 

[applescrap]

Yes, it’s been studied. Once your income reaches a certain level and your basic needs are met, a higher income is no longer correlated with increased happiness. It becomes about ego.

Great, except I dont think that was the point you made or the point I was commenting about. Thank you for sharing that though, and it makes sense. Okay upon reviewing I see what you are connecting tangentially. My friend like to talk about motivational theories. He likes to point out that research says money doesn't work as a motivation. I havent spent a whole lot of time researching this.

 

[applescrap]

Disposable income usually doesn't increase at the same rate as increased income. People with higher income spend more on 'necessities' like large homes, higher priced brands, expensive cars. They don't often end up with more 'extra' money for things.

I have seen this 1st hand.

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

My wife said she wanted a grain crushing attachment for her KitchenAid. I wonder if that would meet my needs as well

Maybe see if you can get the grain crusher for homebrew and if that will meet her needs.

 

[applescrap]

Just write kitchen aid on it with permanent marker.

 

[Still Brewn]

My wife said she wanted a grain crushing attachment for her KitchenAid. I wonder if that would meet my needs as well

I have been using one for my grains. It works, I use it open all the way. It crushes pretty fine so I don't know if you would want to use it without biab brewing. I also throw in some rice hulls before brewing. I brew with a Brewie+ using the Brewie bag and I don't get as much flour in the bottom of my Brewie mash tun as I have seen other people getting. It does keep the barley husks relatively intact. The only thing I don't like about using it is that the hopper is so small. I have heard people complain about over heating of the kitchenaid motor but I have not had that problem. I also haven't done more than 10lbs at a time. If you use it at a higher speed it moves more air through the motor housing.

 

[jready]

We all brew because we love beer and (to differing extents) love the process. What I enjoy about HBT and the hobby is the common ground.

I like reading about projects that took a ton of thought, skill, and engineering but not a lot of money just as much as I enjoy the posts about the totally tricked out basement brewery builds.

We all share the same passion of making great beer, who cares how much you spend or save to get there?

 

[TNJake]

I have been using one for my grains. It works, I use it open all the way. It crushes pretty fine so I don't know if you would want to use it without biab brewing. I also throw in some rice hulls before brewing. I brew with a Brewie+ using the Brewie bag and I don't get as much flour in the bottom of my Brewie mash tun as I have seen other people getting. It does keep the barley husks relatively intact. The only thing I don't like about using it is that the hopper is so small. I have heard people complain about over heating of the kitchenaid motor but I have not had that problem. I also haven't done more than 10lbs at a time. If you use it at a higher speed it moves more air through the motor housing.

Good to know. I EBIAB 5 gallon batches so I might keep it in the maybe column. I have a hard time seeing it heat up for grains, my wife and my mother have put those machines through all kinds of crap. There are different motor sizes in them though.

 

[Still Brewn]

If you have a bed bath and beyond nearby, you can go to their website and some how get 20% off coupons mailed to your house.... don't know much about it but my wife gets the coupons she also gets coupons for 30% sometimes from Kohls but i think that is because she has a store card. I'm not sure if any of them are good on kitchenaid. Both places carry kitchen aid products

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

We all brew because we love beer and (to differing extents) love the process. What I enjoy about HBT and the hobby is the common ground.

I like reading about projects that took a ton of thought, skill, and engineering but not a lot of money just as much as I enjoy the posts about the totally tricked out basement brewery builds.

We all share the same passion of making great beer, who cares how much you spend or save to get there?

Gotta spend money to save money

 

[TNJake]

Case in point: Equipment costs are cheaper to brew from extract but you pay more for every batch.

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will provide for the next genration. Teach a man to brew and he will blast the internet forums until his last breath.
Thinking about the economies of scale... it is so very apparent in homebrewing. Literally every micro brewery started out in somebodies garage/workshop. Because the scale of a homebrewing system lends itself towards experimentation. Most brewmasters keeps a small 5-10 gallon kit for recipe development. So it is easy to see the similarities since in essence we are owner/operator/consumers of our own picobrew environment.

 

[ApolloSimcoe]

"Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Don't teach a man to fish...and feed yourself. He's a grown man. And fishing's not that hard"- Ron Swanson