Why are homebrew people SO cheap??

[bracconiere]

I think most people that describe themselves as "frugal" are actually just plain old cheap. Stingy.
I don't think it's a virtue either.

depends on how they do it, at the cost of other people...or doing things themselves...

(and one of my posts got deleted in this thread for being ' too political', i sent a message to them asking what i said so i don't do it again, sorry if i'm being too politcal)

 

[NewJersey]

I can kind of see what the OP is talking about. There are people that spend $5 in gas to get to the station that sells the gas $.02 a gallon cheaper. That's called penny wise/pound foolish. It's not always that easy to spot though and the people I think are generally getting ragged on here are the ones that are nearly blind to the cost of saving so much money. It gets even trickier when the person who does this sort of thing actually gets gratification from it, i.e. that saving money is another hobby in and of itself. I get that. I have a couple friends who are like competitive couponers that get a cart full of stuff for nothing. We won't get into the fact that half that crap expires and gets thrown out.

As a retail store owner, the small portion of this discussion that annoys me the most are people who value saving money in the short term at a greater later expense. This is realized in two ways. Buying from budget retailers like Walmart and Amazon when it is almost guaranteed that they are trying to corner the market. The other is buying the cheapest thing that will need to be upgraded soon enough.

This is kinda what I'm getting at.

 

[applescrap]

Right on!! I feel the same way, I have 3 kids and a stay at home wife which has made life super easy because we dont have to worry about who stays home with sick kids, driving kids around to school, practices, friends, whatever, but anyway money is at a premium in our house and "$10 bucks saved is $10 bucks saved" an can that can add up when your in a hobby that always seems to "need" upgraded equipment

anymore I dont see some decisions as 10 dollars saved, I see it as 10 dollars thrown away. i.e. keystone light. You bet, way cheaper then weldwerks juicy bits. The only problem is, I dont want to drink keystone light so its 10 in the trash. I buy l' occitane shave cream. Its near 30 dollars a tube. Someone might think its expensive, extravagant, maybe even wasteful. On closer inspection the stuff is so well made and requires such a little amount that one tube lasts me 2 years. Now couple that with the fact that it is some of the best stuff made within reason and the lens changes. 10 dollars saved is 10 dollars wasted if the shave cream makes me break out.

The great question appollo brought up is why do any of us care, yet we do. We encourage thought and ideas within each other trying to help, often leaving hard feelings. My buddy said this to me, why do you care that I buy lucerne cheese. I dont, I only care that he wants to say its as good as bellavitano. He doesnt actually know because he is so cheap he has never had any quality cheese, but somehow thinks they are the same. I dont care if any of you want to drink key light, stay in motel 6s, never eat out, never travel, etc....but I dont want to hear that key light and juicy bits are the same, they are not. Thats my rant.

And Ill say it again, I know a lot, and I mean a lot of millionaires and they are all hard working and well paid. And a lot of them are "cheap" by this discussion, yet, they also buy 10k couches, heli ski, ans flybto ireland 2x a year.

 

[applescrap]

damn, got you beat! being i brew for $8 a 10 gal batch, only spend about $12 a week on groceries...i donated $100 to the local college scholarship fund, and got nothing for it! lol

You and the 8 dollar beer. We know, you have told us. I like you a lot. You and I have plenty in common, but lets be clear, how much work do you put into malting, etc..How good is the grain? I am using golden promise now, stick a big handful of simpson gp in your mouth then your grain, same?

Look I get malteurop for .70 cents a pound. So 10 pound batch 7 in grain, 2 for bulk hops and 5 for yeast. Thats 14 dollars for a basic batch. I understand that for your budget this is necessary, but for most, malting the grain, and feed grain etc, isnt worth 10 dollars. I work my a.. off every day and only drink one or two beers, so 10 dollars savings on 50 beers just iant worth it for me.

 

[Andrew Hodgson]

I like to spend money on things I enjoy.

I enjoy drinking beer so I will spend money on it.

I enjoy brewing beer so I will spend money on it.

 

[bracconiere]

You and the 8 dollar beer. We know, you have told us. I like you a lot. You and I have plenty in common, but lets be clear, how much work do you put into malting, etc..How good is the grain? I am using golden promise now, stick a big handful of simpson gp in your mouth then your grain, same?

Look I get malteurop for .70 cents a pound. So 10 pound batch 7 in grain, 2 for bulk hops and 5 for yeast. Thats 14 dollars for a basic batch. I understand that for your budget this is necessary, but for most, malting the grain, and feed grain etc, isnt worth 10 dollars. I work my a.. off every day and only drink one or two beers, so 10 dollars savings on 50 beers just iant worth it for me.

hey, it's new thread about being cheap! lol, had to mention it! and it takes me a ~a week to brew a batch, but it's mostly just waiting...and i just brewed three batches with breiss, and i like homemalt better just like how the craft beer market started, i prefer my homemalted grain!

and your very right, drinking 2 beers a day, wouldn't make it worth while....and if you work your ass off, got a favorite charity you'd like me to give to? been trying to think of one (being that this is the cheap thread, about how we're all 'SO' cheap, i'll sport them a $50 spot)

edit: (and like entering a beer in a comp and winning gold, i'm fiercely proud of it!!!)

 

[BedtimeBrewer]

I think the whole premise is misguided and reeks of pretension which i wouldn’t consider a virtue either. I certainly don’t assess my friends whether they buy rounds of drinks. Some do and some don’t but it’s not something I care about.

I think it’s more a case where “cheap” people(their rationale for being cheap I couldn’t care less about) also draws them to brewing.

It’s the calculating type who sees flaws in inefficiency or simply wants to understand how it works and gets drawn in.
People like that typically hate waste and inefficiency.

 

[BedtimeBrewer]

And yeah, nj blows for the most part. Been stuck here 15 years.

I tried last week to find a place to get spring water(free) for my first brew attempt. Spring water is illegal. The only place I was aware of had to throw a pad lock on back in 2015 because they weren’t keeping up with testing standards. Let me repeat, water is illegal here.

OP might know the place I’m referring to. We are close by.

 

[bracconiere]

It’s the calculating type who sees flaws in inefficiency or simply wants to understand how it works and gets drawn in.
People like that typically hate waste and inefficiency.

that's kinda why i started doing a three step mash, i could just do a one, or even two....but then i would have to add 50 cents of sugar, instead of getting better efficiency from doing a three...it takes a little more time, and a bit more stirring....but it's worth it to me! (and welcome to the 'important' things here on HBT!)

 

[NitrogenWidget]

Right on!! I feel the same way, I have 3 kids and a stay at home wife which has made life super easy because we dont have to worry about who stays home with sick kids, driving kids around to school, practices, friends, whatever, but anyway money is at a premium in our house and "$10 bucks saved is $10 bucks saved" an can that can add up when your in a hobby that always seems to "need" upgraded equipment

I have an ex-wife like this. but the fact she doesn't work is her new BF's problem not mine.
My problem is I pay for pretty much everything where the kids are concerned so yeah i'll save $$$ when I can wait for something to go on sale.

 

[bleme]

And yeah, nj blows for the most part.

Back in the 90's I was selling over $30,000/year of collectibles on eBay and I cringed every time an auction ended and the buyer ended up being from NJ. Every single negative feedback I got was from NJ, and those were all because they claimed my item arrived broken, wanted a refund, but wouldn't ship back the item or even take a picture. I feel sorry for all the honest people in NJ who have to deal with all the con artists on a daily basis. eBay has a checkbox to not sell internationally but I would love a checkbox not to sell to NJ!

 

[applescrap]

It should be said my cheap friend is the first to buy a round. Class and cheap are different, no? I could class up a bit.

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

It should be daid my cheap friend is the first to buy a round. Class and cheap are different, no? I could class up a bit.

You should buy the forum a round to class the place up a bit.

 

[bracconiere]

You should buy the forum a round to class the place up a bit.

i'm tryin too! out of my 10 gal batch and shipping, i could try and send a recapped soda bottle to every regular! (and daid ain't a word! lol you sure you only drink 'two' beers a day?)

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

i'm tryin too! out of my 10 gal batch and shipping, i could try and send a recapped soda bottle to every regular! (and daid ain't a word! lol you sure you only drink 'two' beers a day?)

I didn't do the mispelling and the post wasn't addressed to you lmfao[emoji23]. How many you had, hiccup??[emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Blazinlow86]

I like seeing the deals and DIY that people do. It gives me ideas where I can save some money so that I can brew more beer.

I am at the point (at least temporarily) where I don't need any equipment, so I DO same money homebrewing. I have long since paid off my equipment by not buying beer.

If you would not be getting paid during the time spent brewing (day off - weekend) your time is worth exactly $0

I still buy some commercial beer - research. I also drink a lot more beer than I did before taking up homebrewing. But I drink less soda so I am probably saving money there.....

Homebrewing is only as expensive as you make it. Keep your equipment purchases under control. Do you really need the latest bling?? Buy in bulk, reuse yeast etc.

I also always look at the time spent argument the same way. For me personally if I wasn't brewing that day I would literally be sitting on the couch watching tv so I can't count that labour into the costs. Now if I took a day off work to brew or missing your kids soccer or whatever that's a different story. Cheers

 

[bracconiere]

I didn't do the mispelling and the post wasn't addressed to you lmfao[emoji23]. How many you had, hiccup??[emoji23][emoji23]

maybe i should have double quoted...i thought the reference to the word daid would make it clear...and honestly, i'm up to #10 i think! f'in'a i'm listeing to get this party started by pink too! (you need to join the music match game!) ((and, yeah i pay for 'youtube premium' too because i'm a 'cheap' homebrewer!))

 

[Homergah]

i'm tryin too! out of my 10 gal batch and shipping, i could try and send a recapped soda bottle to every regular! (and daid ain't a word! lol you sure you only drink 'two' beers a day?)

Dang! I'm irregular. Guess I'm sol.

 

[applescrap]

You should buy the forum a round to class the place up a bit.

bet yo a.. seeing how this is the cheap thread how bout key lights all around. 30 stone ought to do it.

Haha, whoa, flashback. My friends and I got a deal at boulder liquor mart in college on 64 cent quarts of, cant remember, key lights. hah, we drank about a hundred dollars worth of them. Man glad this thread popped up for that memory. Ahh, the good ol days when a hundred quarts of keystone light and a 500 sq ft apartment with 3 guys was heaven.

 

[bracconiere]

Dang! I'm irregular. Guess I'm sol.

like i said i'm up to 10 so...huh? i could give you some of my bean creations! damn cheap, and healthy! lots of fiber....(another cheap thing i do, eat a lot of beans!)

 

[applescrap]

maybe i should have double quoted...i thought the reference to the word daid would make it clear...and honestly, i'm up to #10 i think! f'in'a i'm listeing to get this party started by pink too! (you need to join the music match game!) ((and, yeah i pay for 'youtube premium' too because i'm a 'cheap' homebrewer!))

love pink

 

[bracconiere]

bet yo a.. seeing how this is the cheap thread how bout key lights all around. 30 stone ought to do it.

Haha, whoa, flashback. My friends and I got a deal at boulder liquor mart in college on 64 cent quarts of, cant remember, key lights. hah, we drank about a hundred dollars worth of them. Man glad this thread popped up for that memory. Ahh, the good ol days when a hundred quarts of keystone light and a 500 sq ft apartment with 3 guys was heaven.

heaven man, only i'd be the only one saying...i can make my own cheaper, you should try it!

edit: and i'm sure they'd get scared...oh my god!!!we could never make are own drugs!! lol

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

maybe i should have double quoted...i thought the reference to the word daid would make it clear...and honestly, i'm up to #10 i think! f'in'a i'm listeing to get this party started by pink too! (you need to join the music match game!) ((and, yeah i pay for 'youtube premium' too because i'm a 'cheap' homebrewer!))

Fk you save so much on brewing that you get premium subscriptions. Damn foo.. dilly dilly [emoji482]

 

[Cantina De Jefe]

bet yo a.. seeing how this is the cheap thread how bout key lights all around. 30 stone ought to do it.

Haha, whoa, flashback. My friends and I got a deal at boulder liquor mart in college on 64 cent quarts of, cant remember, key lights. hah, we drank about a hundred dollars worth of them. Man glad this thread popped up for that memory. Ahh, the good ol days when a hundred quarts of keystone light and a 500 sq ft apartment with 3 guys was heaven.

Hamms for me.

 

[bracconiere]

Fk you save so much on brewing that you get premium subscriptions. Damn foo.. dilly dilly [emoji482]

damn, i don't speak Ebonics...but sounds right, until i'm sober enough to hear how i'm cussed out for that....

 

[NewJersey]

I also always look at the time spent argument the same way. For me personally if I wasn't brewing that day I would literally be sitting on the couch watching tv so I can't count that labour into the costs. Now if I took a day off work to brew or missing your kids soccer or whatever that's a different story. Cheers

*Sigh* the point is that you COULD be working. Your time is always money.

 

[NewJersey]

damn, i don't speak Ebonics...but sounds right, until i'm sober enough to hear how i'm cussed out for that....

Ebonics????
Are you a racist?

 

[BedtimeBrewer]

Eh, that’s kind of the rat race mentality. Always chasing a buck.

I’ve lost what the conversation is about but if certain people want to increase their leasure time, and have to live frugally to do it, then so be it. That’s a very healthy decision. There are lots of places out there that the opportunity cost is negligible, so the penny saved penny earned saying is true.

Working more so you can spend more seems a lot more irrational to me. I see it everywhere.

 

[kh54s10]

*Sigh* the point is that you COULD be working. Your time is always money.

Unless you WOULD be working your time spent brewing is worth exactly $0. That is the point.

 

[user 254557]

the "time is money" fascination that people throw around does ring true to me, time past does not mean dollars earned, I understand that the OP is trying to say that time is valuable, but he is getting value tied to dollars, not value tied to a hobby, or family time, or fortnite, so when I am brewing I an not working, and by definition not getting paid, i only get paid for about 8 hrs a day 5 days a week then WORK is over then I can do whatever I want and the monetary value of whatever I do out of work is the SAME....$0.