Which yeast produces the least hangover under optimal fermentation conditions?

[Miraculix]

Hi!

I have the feeling that certain English strains give me a hangover from far less beer than for example 3470 or diamond lager does. I'm having two warm fermented diamond lagers, no problem next day. I have two s04 blonde ales which have been fermented around 20c, I feel it the next day. Both same abv.

What's going on there? I've had this before with other English strains. I'm not sure sure if I've had that with for example us05 as well.

Kveiks, Saisons, (warm fermented) lagers seem all to cause less headache for me. I've been observing this tendency for some years now.

What do you guys think about this? Did you experience the same? Do you have any explanation?

Fusel levels? I know a yeast can be pushed into fusel production and produce a liquid headache in a bottle beer. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about beer that has been fermented within the appropriate temperature range.

Cheers!

M

 

[IslandLizard]

It's a good observation!

There's a whole plethora of other "chemicals" being created during fermentations. People can be (overly) sensitive to certain ones, giving them symptoms you describe. I've never done any tracking on it myself but I've heard it before.

Maybe that's why some people hate whiskey, bourbon, wine, etc. not just because of flavor, but certain side effects they experience.

 

[Miraculix]

It's a good observation!

There's a whole plethora of other "chemicals" being created during fermentations. People can be (overly) sensitive to certain ones, giving them symptoms you describe. I've never done any tracking on it myself but I've heard it before.

Maybe that's why some people hate whiskey, bourbon, wine, etc. not just because of flavor, but certain side effects they experience.

Hm.... Sounds like a real possibility.

It's getting more complicated. Any idea which substances are the ones in question?

 

[Willy]

Correlation or causation is an age old question. I think some drinking with friends is called for to explore the science behind the quandary.

 

[worlddivides]

It's commonly accepted that congeners are what make hangovers worse and more likely when drinking dark spirits (like whiskey, brandy, dark rum, dark tequila, etc.) than when drinking clear spirits. I wouldn't be surprised if there was something to different yeasts creating different elements, esters, chemicals, and so on that could contribute to a higher likelihood of a hangover. In beer's case, though, it wouldn't be congeners, since beer has far fewer than brandy, rum, wine, and so on.

 

[IslandLizard]

It's getting more complicated. Any idea which substances are the ones in question?

Sorry, I don't have a resource handy for it.

Aside from many good flavor products (esters and such) higher alcohols, ketones, aldehydes, organic acids, etc. are very common side products. None taste good, but even in small quantities, below their flavor thresholds in the whole mix, may cause headaches or other symptoms later on.

As you know, higher fermentation temps and stressed yeast tend to bring out worse tasting byproducts than smooth, controlled fermentations. The term "rocket fuel" comes to mind from fermentations that were too hot.

 

[Miraculix]

Sorry, I don't have a resource handy for it.

Aside from many good flavor products (esters and such) higher alcohols, ketones, aldehydes, organic acids, etc. are very common side products. None taste good, but even in small quantities, below their flavor thresholds in the whole mix, may cause headaches or other symptoms later on.

As you know, higher fermentation temps and stressed yeast tend to bring out worse tasting byproducts than smooth, controlled fermentations. The term "rocket fuel" comes to mind from fermentations that were too hot.

The beers in question tastes pretty good actually, so no rocket fuel stuff going on there.

 

[rlrohan]

This has nothing to do with yeast strains, but certain hops would give me heartburn almost as soon as I would drink. Don’t recall which and didn’t get the hang over head ache. Just a thought.

 

[Slim M]

Cascade kills me along with most of the big C types. Most American Pale ale & Ipa give me instant heartburn. Cluster hops doesn’t bother nor do the noble varieties or offshoots.