What's with all the Sierra Nevada Pale hate?

[remilard]

No, coors is not poorly made or unpopular. However, that wasn't the argument I was making, troll.

You were trying to make the argument that your subjective opinion about which well made and popular beers are good is better than someone elses?

You can take this opportunity to restate your previous post or explain which part of it I misinterpreted.

If pointing out logical bankruptcy makes me a troll, so be it.

 

[-TH-]

I think this thread can be summed up with this popular phrase:

"Opinions are like..." well, you know how it goes.

 

[jonalexdeval]

And a little off topic, I had the chance to taste Life and Limb, the Sierra Nevada / Dogfish Head collaboration. Had it on tap at Rehoboth Beach. If you get a chance to try this, don’t pass it up. Excellent!

I tried Life and Limb the other day in the bottle... was pretty disappointed. It has a definite alcohol taste and I could hardly finish half the bottle. I hope it's better on tap because I expected a lot better from Dogfish head and SN. It had potential, but was just overwhelmed by the alcohol content.

 

[AnOldUR]

You can take this opportunity to restate your previous post or explain which part of it I misinterpreted.

Let me take a stab at it.

Comparing Sierra Nevada to any of the big companies is just silly.

There is sometimes a hazy line between company’s driven purely by profit and those brewery's who motive lies in creating a crafted product. In other words, company’s who see brewing as an art rather than a science. I believe that this is not the case when comparing Coors to Sierra Navada. Coors may have begun as a craft brew, but the MillerCoors combination ended that. On the other side, I see Sierra Nevada as a company who takes pride in innovation.

It is a well made beer that is widely popular among a lot of people with great taste in beer.

You made the assumption that this statement implied that BMC's were not popular or well made. The other way to look at it is that these are separate and independent sentences stating a series of facts.

Your palate is obviously different than mine, but there's no need to trash it when it is still a good quality brewery.

And this pretty much sums it up that you're a troll.

 

[AnOldUR]

I tried Life and Limb the other day in the bottle... was pretty disappointed. It has a definite alcohol taste and I could hardly finish half the bottle. I hope it's better on tap because I expected a lot better from Dogfish head and SN. It had potential, but was just overwhelmed by the alcohol content.

Good to know. Makes me wonder what the difference between the kegged and bottled version are. I've heard the same thing said of DFH 120 minute IPA, that the bottles have to be aged.

 

[carnevoodoo]

I like this guy.

 

[imaguitargod]

Dunno, I'd love to find a few bomber to cellar for a couple of years.

I'm going off memory here (my mind's like a steel sieve ), but it didn't have a quality that I would think beers you would want to age had. It was very malty and sweet which would just come out more and more as the little amount of hops they used mellowed out with time.

I tried Life and Limb the other day in the bottle... was pretty disappointed. It has a definite alcohol taste and I could hardly finish half the bottle. I hope it's better on tap because I expected a lot better from Dogfish head and SN. It had potential, but was just overwhelmed by the alcohol content.

I noticed the alcohol taste too, but it wasn't overtwhelming for me. It was tasty for the one glass I had of it. Not something I would drink daily though. Maybe once a month.

 

[TwoHeadsBrewing]

I tried Life and Limb the other day in the bottle... was pretty disappointed. It has a definite alcohol taste and I could hardly finish half the bottle. I hope it's better on tap because I expected a lot better from Dogfish head and SN. It had potential, but was just overwhelmed by the alcohol content.

Odd, I didn't find it to have a lot of alcohol taste to it. In fact, it was pretty malty with a lot of body. But, it is a big beer...so maybe I was expecting to taste the alcohol. It all comes down to preference, to each their own.

 

[remilard]

Let me take a stab at it.


There is sometimes a hazy line between company’s driven purely by profit and those brewery's who motive lies in creating a crafted product. In other words, company’s who see brewing as an art rather than a science. I believe that this is not the case when comparing Coors to Sierra Navada. Coors may have begun as a craft brew, but the MillerCoors combination ended that. On the other side, I see Sierra Nevada as a company who takes pride in innovation.

You made the assumption that this statement implied that BMC's were not popular or well made. The other way to look at it is that these are separate and independent sentences stating a series of facts.


And this pretty much sums it up that you're a troll.

Wow, your defense of carnevoodo was that he made an unjustified claim that Sierra Nevada was incomparable to some other breweries and then followed it up with completely unrelated facts about Sierra Nevada that were not meant to differentiate it from these other breweries?

So he is a poor communicator and is prone to making sweeping claims without justifying them?

I can live with that.

 

[AnOldUR]

Wow, your defense of carnevoodo was . . .

I apologize to the OP for taking troll bait in your thread.

 

[carnevoodoo]

I finally found a use for the ignore functionality.

 

[mmb]

I don't hate SNPA, but about the only time I get one is when it's the only non-BMC beer on the menu. I don't go buy it at stores and I don't go out of my way to get it. Just not a fan.

The Celebration Ale, on the other hand... fabulous!

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

SNPA is not to my taste, but I appreciate their effort on the behalf of discerning beer drinkers and then to their shareholders (Assuming they have them)

Coors Lite is not to my taste, but I appreciate their effort on behalf of their shareholders and then to their discerning beer drinkers (Assuming they have any)

 

[Synovia]

.... driven purely by profit and those brewery's who motive lies in creating a crafted product. In other words, company’s who see brewing as an art rather than a science. I believe that this is not the case when comparing Coors to Sierra Navada. Coors may have begun as a craft brew, but the MillerCoors combination ended that. On the other side, I see Sierra Nevada as a company who takes pride in innovation.[/SIZE]

I would be willing to bet that MillerCoors tries out substantially more new recipes every year than Sierra Nevada does.

 

[AnOldUR]

I would be willing to bet that MillerCoors tries out substantially more new recipes every year than Sierra Nevada does.

Yeah, but I think it's safe to say that they are only trying to play catch-up and regain market share lost the craft beer industry.

Without that motivation they would be happy to provide you with nothing but Coors Light.

 

[McKBrew]

Sierra Nevada beers have the most awesome heads and head retention. I swear every beer I pour from them has a thick, foamy head that takes forever to go away. Even a 2008 Bigfoot Barleywine.

 

[Synovia]

Yeah, but I think it's safe to say that they are only trying to play catch-up and regain market share lost the craft beer industry.

Without that motivation they would be happy to provide you with nothing but Coors Light.

And you know this how? And you know Sierra Nevada is different, how?

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

And you know this how? And you know Sierra Nevada is different, how?

You guys were both simply speculating. That much is obvious by the phrases you both used. I don't think AnOldUR was claiming any specific knowledge.

 

[wedge421]

SNPA is an awesome session beer. Who says they hate it? Ive had hundreds of beers and I can honestly say without a doubt SNPA is a stand by

 

[TwoHeadsBrewing]

I would be willing to bet that MillerCoors tries out substantially more new recipes every year than Sierra Nevada does.

Why would they do that, and what recipes would they try out? Maybe they try out a thousand new recipes for a light american pilsner or lager, perhaps a wheat beer. But why waste money developing a recipe for pale ale, IPA, or Belgian Dubbel when only a small part of the market would buy it? Most people are happy with their Coors Light or Miller High Life. For the others, they already are convinced that microbreweries produce a superior more authentic product, so most of them won't be buying it. Seems like all that research would be a hard sell to a profit-minded group of shareholders.

 

[strohs]

There is often a trend to dislike the popular and successful....be it a beer, an athalete, an actor, a company etc.

+1.
Nail --> Head
SNPA is an excellent beer, as are most all of thier other beers.

 

[AnOldUR]

Yeah, but I think it's safe to say that they are only trying to play catch-up and regain market share lost the craft beer industry. Without that motivation they would be happy to provide you with nothing but Coors Light.

And you know this how? And you know Sierra Nevada is different, how?

I saw the movie Beer Wars for the first time last night. They make a pretty good argument that the BMC's produce multiple nearly indistinguishable products for the purpose of dominating shelf space. The intent is to force out the small breweries. You’re right. I can’t say that Sierra Nevada wouldn’t do the same thing if they had the resources, but they don’t.

The question isn’t how I would know this, but how you would not. Observation and commons sense go a long way.

 

[boo boo]

My brother-in-law brought me back a few SNPA a week before christmas from his trip to San Diego. My first time drinking one.
Great beer IMO.
I now have some reminder of a taste to compare my own and that of others to.
My next brew will be a clone that followed the clone I did last week. I love it.

 

[Budzu]

We should be standing on the shoulders of giants, not taking a crap on them.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

We should be standing on the shoulders of giants, not taking a crap on them.

But if we don't stand on their shoulders we could not crap on a giant (Unless we had a helicopter or something)