Whats up with this Citra Shortage?

[BrewThruYou]

I brew all kinds of stuff but my friends want my Bangalore and its Citra finish. I can just brew other stuff but they will keep asking for the favorite..

I'm playing my tiny violin for you.

 

[ChrisNH]

I do.. I have two beers everyone wants.. the Bangalore (a modified torpedo clone) and the Janet's brown. The rest are all for me. As it happens.. I like both of those a lot too..

Funny you should mention that though.. I have had friends offer to chip in but I don't want them to become share holders..

 

[TNGabe]

I do.. I have two beers everyone wants.. the Bangalore (a modified torpedo clone) and the Janet's brown. The rest are all for me. As it happens.. I like both of those a lot too..

Funny you should mention that though.. I have had friends offer to chip in but I don't want them to become share holders..

Sounds like they need to start bringing you more Citra then.

 

[BrewThruYou]

I keep hearing this argument over and over in the past month...."but my house [insert beer style] uses [insert tough-to-procure hop]!!! Wahhhh!" If your only good beer is only made good by a certain hop, then I don't want to hear it. Adapt.

 

[whitehause]

I keep hearing this argument over and over in the past month...."but my house [insert beer style] uses [insert tough-to-procure hop]!!! Wahhhh!" If your only good beer is only made good by a certain hop, then I don't want to hear it. Adapt.

He never said it's his only good beer. If you don't want to hear it, don't listen. No need to be a D-Bag about it.

 

[theveganbrewer]

Hopdirect package just arrived. So much smaller than the leaf order I had a month ago. What is up with all these people getting pissed about people liking certain hops?

 

[FATC1TY]

Hopdirect package just arrived. So much smaller than the leaf order I had a month ago. What is up with all these people getting pissed about people liking certain hops?

Just mad because they missed out it seems...

 

[NervousDad]

For my house IPA, I use Magnum for bittering and Citra for late additions. It's a perfect combo IMO. Magnum produces a very "clean" bitterness that doesn't interfere with the flavor/aroma hops at all.

I just made and IPA with the same additions and it was fantastic.

 

[yso191]

Sure would be nice if they'd ship out their damn whole leaf. They told me on Monday that it'd be another 2 weeks. WTF? Didn't really get that, as the harvest has long been done. They said they were waiting on their distributor. Aren't they located just down the way from it?

The harvest has been done, but a lot of the hop processing is not done yet. I too was looking all around for Citra and couldn't find any. So I called a friend here at Hop Union. He said they have not even begun processing the bulk of Citra yet. This year they are trying to be done processing all of their hops by the new year - which is a new and very intense goal.

Steve

 

[yso191]

The other thing about hops that some in the industry are slow to grasp is that after the hop shortage, ALL the big brewers and retailers went to contracts. That way everyone is guaranteed stability, from the farm to the glass - as much as mother nature can provide anyway. If a business doesn't have a contract with a supplier, they may not get any of the harder to get hop varieties. It remains a boom/bust cycle though. after the hop shortage LOTS of acreage went into hops. This year I see corn planted in hop-trellissed (sp?) fields. There is currently an over-supply for the not-so-in-demand varieties.

One of the ways Hop Union is trying to fill the demand for the in-demand varieties is to make proprietary blends like Falconers Flight or Zythos. I just got some of these and am looking forward to trying them out.

Steve

 

[WhiteDog87]

One of the ways Hop Union is trying to fill the demand for the in-demand varieties is to make proprietary blends like Falconers Flight or Zythos. I just got some of these and am looking forward to trying them out.

Steve

I have been using the falconers flight in place of amarillo for the past year and have had excellent results. Swapped it on a couple of IPA's and an APA and neither of them missed the amarillo one bit.

 

[FATC1TY]

I have been using the falconers flight in place of amarillo for the past year and have had excellent results. Swapped it on a couple of IPA's and an APA and neither of them missed the amarillo one bit.

I won't go as far as you, and say that I don't miss Amarillo. I'll admit, I've never been short on amarillo, it's plentiful in my parts, and I bulk bought this year as well.

However, in terms of the blends, FF3C's was a great, great combonation of hops. I have a few remaining pints on tap still from a big IPA I did with them, and loved it. Thought it had everything you'd want in a bold hop profile for an IPA or Pale. If I was out of the big name hops- FF7C's would be on my list to use alone.

 

[SFSpencer]

Received my HopsDirect order today...My 3lb order(Amarillo,Citra,Belma) seems quite generous...
Thanks HopsDirect!

 

[TNGabe]

Received my HopsDirect order today...My 3lb order(Amarillo,Citra,Belma) seems quite generous...
Thanks HopsDirect!

I'm impatiently waiting for the FedEx guy buy brewing a pre-Citramas batch. I hope I don't freak out too much and try and kiss him or something.:fro:

 

[FATC1TY]

Received my HopsDirect order today...My 3lb order(Amarillo,Citra,Belma) seems quite generous...
Thanks HopsDirect!

Good to know that they are generous with the amounts like they normally are.

 

[TNGabe]

Pretty close to 18oz ea.

 

[theveganbrewer]

The bags are actually quite heavy but they are always over a pound of hops in each order. My best leaf weight, was 19.6 ounces of citra out of the bag earlier in the harvest.

 

[scottland]

My pound of Amarillo and Citra came. 18oz and 18.5oz. They both smell incredible, especially the Citra. Nice soft pellets too.

Hops direct nitrogen flushed bags definitely smell funky though. Don't judge the hops by sticking your head in the bag. Take some out, give them a minute to air out, give them a good rub, and then smell.

 

[sudsmcgee]

Selective breeding is a form of genetic modification just fyi.

No, it is not. Genetic modification involves the implanting of genetic material from one species into another when these species have absolutely nothing in common and couldn't possibly be crossed naturally. Selective breeding is just that.

 

[WhiteDog87]

"...a product is regulated as genetically modified if it carries some trait not previously found in the species whether it was generated using traditional breeding methods (e.g selective breeding, cell fusion, mutation breeding) or genetic engineering."

Straight from the FDA dude

 

[bovineblitz]

No, it is not. Genetic modification involves the implanting of genetic material from one species into another when these species have absolutely nothing in common and couldn't possibly be crossed naturally. Selective breeding is just that.

It's still genetic modification.

It's not natural for dogs to have floppy ears, but through genetic manipulation via selective breeding we have floppy ears.

We've even bred things to an idiotic level - look at all those poor pugs who can barely breathe, their very existence is borderline cruelty.

 

[mscott5205]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A76MyefCQAAJ48e.jpg:large
Found in some citra hops.Saw it on beerpulse don't know from where.

 

[theveganbrewer]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A76MyefCQAAJ48e.jpg:large
Found in some citra hops.Saw it on beerpulse don't know from where.

So that's why my hopsdirect order had an extra 3 ounces in it!

 

[dbrewski]

So that's why my hopsdirect order had an extra 3 ounces in it!

No, that's the genetic modification they keep talking about.

 

[TNGabe]

"...a product is regulated as genetically modified if it carries some trait not previously found in the species whether it was generated using traditional breeding methods (e.g selective breeding, cell fusion, mutation breeding) or genetic engineering."

Straight from the FDA dude

Since the FDA doesn't regulate GMOs and you mispelled Monsanto in your first post, I'm still inclined to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. Of course, this is a thread about Citra hops and not trying to make a stranger agree with you, so maybe we should all quit talking about it.

GMO = genetic engineering, not breeding dogs or hops. Picking which two dogs or hops are gonna screw ain't the same as putting genetic info from bacteria into corn.

 

[WhiteDog87]

GMO = genetic engineering, not breeding dogs or hops. Picking which two dogs or hops are gonna screw ain't the same as putting genetic info from bacteria into corn.

... and this why I know you have no idea what your talking about lol

that being said, if anyone else wants to continue this convo go for it. Im not here to give a biology lesson to uninformed people so Im done.

 

[WhiteDog87]

...and you mispelled Monsanto in your first post, .

... Even though it is a bit MONSANTO like...

and looks like i spelled it right to me lol

 

[sudsmcgee]

You're free to believe what you want, but when I order a GMO PCR analysis I only care about genetically engineered bits of DNA (such as those found in Bt corn and soy or roundup ready variants). No one cares about naturally-bred traits. Even Europe allows naturally-bred strains where they outright ban genetic engineering.

 

[ICWiener]

I got lucky this year. I found a secret stash. There's a place near me that sells homebrew supplies, but it's not a homebrew shop. Since not too many people go there looking for beer making stuff, I've been able to buy citra and amarillo from them whenever I want. I don't know how they're getting the hard to find hops, and I don't care. Just glad to have a hook up.

 

[scottland]

As much as everyone thinks there's a citra shortage, I think there is going to be plenty of citra to go around this year. Amarillo is the hop that's desperately short since they had a flood at their farm, and the yields are very, very low. Keep in mind Amarillo is only grown on one farm, and sometimes mother nature happens.