what's the deal with church folks???

[elkdog]

Business is business. They cater to the people they think they need to cater to, and you can go somewhere else. I'm a Christian theologian who comes from and will return to NC, and I make my own beer.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

I'd be disappointed too, but I think the more disappointing thing in this instance is the perception that a family atmosphere and beer cannot exist in the same place.
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Kids can totally ruin a decent pub. I like to got to pubs that don't allow them at all when I have none in my group.

 

[schweaty]

Are you going to make some of your schweaty balls for the holidays?

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.....sorry...couldn't resist...

Why yes, yes I am :cross:
Good to know someone else watches SNL and picked up the orgin of my name!

 

[VatorMan]

Kids can totally ruin a decent pub. I like to got to pubs that don't allow them at all when I have none in my group.

Sirius. A no kid pizza place would have my business.

 

[Homercidal]

Well, the owner can do what he pleases, although, THB, a liquor license is not easy to get even here in MI, so unless he was losing money on the renewal, he probably just lost it for some reason.

Or, he might have had a few of the more vocal members of the community expresseing their disdain for an establishment that serves beer.

At any rate, you are free to talk to him and give him your opinion. Personally, I'm happy that our local Pizza Hut now serves beer, but I wouldn't choose to go there for that reason. (besides, I actually prefer Coke with my pizza, sorry). I'd be more inclined to order out and watch a movie with dinner at home anyway.

 

[jmulligan]

Kids can totally ruin a decent pub.

+10

I go to what I consider a "bar" that serves food. There are a grand total of 12 booths, a large bar, pool tables, darts, and tvs. They serve some great brews and excellent pizza...and they are smoke free. It is awesome...

Except people bring their kids in for dinner, and then the parents hang around (on a Friday night) until at least 9 or 10 pm. I try to watch my language around kids, but when you're out, in a bar atmosphere, drinking lots of tasty beer and having a good time with your friends, it's tough to not let a few "No $hits?" and "what the f*cks" fly. (Not to mention when the kids almost bowl you over in those stupid-a$$ rolling shoes).

Seriously, after 8 pm on a Friday or Saturday night at a bar (in a college town), parents please take your kids home!

 

[zoebisch01]

People have hangups, plain and simple. The one in question, the consumption of alcohol, is completely misinterpreted from a few lines of the Bible. Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably purposefully misinterpreted....It is easier to pick out a guy drinking a beer and say "sinner" than it is to catch a churchgoer in say a shady business deal. It's all about the check marks on the 'good christian' list rather than reality.

 

[TXCrash]

Reminds me of my dad ("church folk"). Guy's never had a full drink in his life. Doctor told him to start drinking a glass of wine at night for his heart and he asks me (his heathen son) if I'd think he was less of a christian for drinking wine...

Of course, he's tried drinking wine but he's only sampled stuff at my grandpas (who's a big Old Milwaukee and jug wine drinker...) so he cant stand the stuff....

I do kinda remember as a kid hearing snarky comments from our table about people drinking at a pizza place...

 

[HBHoss]

People have hangups, plain and simple. The one in question, the consumption of alcohol, is completely misinterpreted from a few lines of the Bible. Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably purposefully misinterpreted....It is easier to pick out a guy drinking a beer and say "sinner" than it is to catch a churchgoer in say a shady business deal. It's all about the check marks on the 'good christian' list rather than reality.

There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol from a Christian standpoint. The problem is when it's consumed in excess and that's what's not condoned.

 

[shecky]

I'm a "church folk" who provides beer, both homebrew and commercial, for many church gatherings. Only the really zealous, evangelical types consider drinking in moderation a sin.

Hell, my parents organized and attended many church dances. When they said they were going to a church dance, I knew that was code for "make sure you pee before bed because your father will be facedown in the bathroom in about five hours."

 

[mysigp226]

I'm a church folk. Grew up in a Southern Baptist church, went to a Baptist university, Graduated with a minor in Bible.

I drink primarily Scotch and just recently started working with brewing cider.

Don't lump us all together. Unfortunately there are a group of people who associate several portions of scripture with an admonition to not drink alcohol at all. When there is no such directive. There is however, a directive to not get "drunk" (because of the lack of self control). People seem to forget the nobody drank water back when Jesus was alive for fear of catching some disease.

I have no issue with someone not wanting to sell alcohol, or drink alcohol for that mater. But at least be honest with yourself and your customers and give the real reason. I'll think you a better man for it, if you really care what I think.

 

[HBHoss]

I'm a "church folk" who provides beer, both homebrew and commercial, for many church gatherings. Only the really zealous, evangelical types consider drinking in moderation a sin.

Hell, my parents organized and attended many church dances. When they said they were going to a church dance, I knew that was code for "make sure you pee before bed because your father will be facedown in the bathroom in about five hours."

Right. I should have worded it differently. By excess I meant as an addiction and not just going out and getting blottoed once in awhile. Bottom line as a Christian is if it's more important than God, then it's a problem.

 

[mmb]

I'm a "church folk" who provides beer, both homebrew and commercial, for many church gatherings. Only the really zealous, evangelical types consider drinking in moderation a sin.

Hell, my parents organized and attended many church dances. When they said they were going to a church dance, I knew that was code for "make sure you pee before bed because your father will be facedown in the bathroom in about five hours."

Obviously, you're not Baptist...

Church sponsored dances would have traditional Baptists moving quickly in circles in their graves. (So as to not be construed as a twirl-like dance move.)

Here's a typical response on the issue from more traditional baptists... emphasis mine.

The Bible DOES say to avoid strong drink, to not be controlled by anything but the Holy Spirit, and to not be caught up in things that would distract, or that could cause you to lose your Christian testimony.

Dancing these days, you must admit, is most often NOT a waltz or tapdancing. It is something far more sensual, and not something which a Christian ought to engage in UNLESS it is alone in your living room with your spouse.

Going to a dancing hall (bar, club, etc) comes with an assumption (by the world) that alcohol is present and most likely a part of your activity....so it presents a serious compromise of any testimony you might have to those watching you....and believe me, there ARE people watching you whether they ever confront you over it or not. In the very least they will look at these actions and say in their mind, "Hes a Christian and he does the same things I do....so what's the big deal about being a Christian?"

Someone's watching me....

Dude, "Lifestyle Evangelism" is the preferred nomenclature.

 

[flyangler18]

I'm always thoroughly befuddled by the puritanical attitudes about alcohol in this country, personal histories aside. My uncle is a recovering alcoholic- and he was a violent wife-beating summabitch, too. My cousin is also recovering. My mother in law comes from a dry county in NC and saw some devastating alcoholism there with people driving into other counties or across statelines to get their alcohol. In spite of this, we regularly have beer at family functions. I drink socially with members of my church. Not an issue.

My wife grew up in the Church of the Brethren, one of the historic peace churches that came from Germany (and we both attend now). Old Brethren abstain from alcohol, but it's not a question of 'sin'. They recognize that historically beer and wine and spirits had a place in popular culture, but made a decision not to partake. It is a personal choice, not one of church teaching. My FIL is 67 and never drank a drop until last year- when he had a glass of wine over a meal. My inlaws don't buy any alcohol- and only drink wine- but don't care one way or another what others do.

 

[kornbread]

I guess my real complaint is not so much that they stopped selling beer. I can always pick up a pizza to go and drink beer at home.

My real complaint is the notion that "church folk" are offended at the very sight of someone drinking a beer. And trust me ,as a life long North Carolinian, I know there are plenty here that are deeply offended. (I'm related to quite a few.)

If you interpret your religion to mean you shouldn't drink alcohol then don't drink alcohol. The problem is that it doesn't stop there. They have to use the power of the pulpit to push for laws that force their religious beliefs on the community at large.

Example: A neighboring town had a "liquor by the drink" referendum on the last election ballot. On election day one of the local churches organized protests outside the polling place. The had a coffin on the back of a pick-up truck with a sign saying something about drinking and going to hell. They rode back and forth in front of the polling location shouting at people on their way inside. My brother-in-law was there and he said a fight nearly broke out. (The referendum passed by they way.)

As I stated in the original post I'll still eat there. I like the food. It's his place and he can choose to serve or not to serve. But I just don't get it...

 

[GroovePuppy]

Heck at ONE of the churches I interred at as a student, the minister and I would head out to the Ann Arbor Brewing Company, every Sunday after church to "decompress."

You were interred as a student? Wow, that must have been a rough education!

+1 on being "church folks" that love beer, scotch, rye, bourbon, ........ I also like to say ****, ****, ****, ****** and **** my ****ing ***sack you ****sucking son of a ****wad!

The problem seems to be that the vocal church folks don't represent the majority, but because they're vocal they seem to. I even hear some atheists are jolly decent fellows! :cross:

 

[mmb]

I even hear some atheists are jolly decent fellows! :cross:

You're gonna burn!


Wait.... what?

 

[zman]

Churchies are generally "closet" everything. It is all about putting on airs for the masses in public and waiting until you get home to break out the booze, the nuggs, the toys...etc. Just look at the likes of Ted Haggert here in Colorado. If I went to a restaurant and they told me the no longer server alcohol I would do a quick about face. If the food was good I would get it to go so I could enjoy the good food with good company, a good homebrew and no finger pointing banter how the "saved" are God's favorite.

 

[zman]

I guess my real complaint is not so much that they stopped selling beer. I can always pick up a pizza to go and drink beer at home.

My real complaint is the notion that "church folk" are offended at the very sight of someone drinking a beer. And trust me ,as a life long North Carolinian, I know there are plenty here that are deeply offended. (I'm related to quite a few.)

If you interpret your religion to mean you shouldn't drink alcohol then don't drink alcohol. The problem is that it doesn't stop there. They have to use the power of the pulpit to push for laws that force their religious beliefs on the community at large.

Example: A neighboring town had a "liquor by the drink" referendum on the last election ballot. On election day one of the local churches organized protests outside the polling place. The had a coffin on the back of a pick-up truck with a sign saying something about drinking and going to hell. They rode back and forth in front of the polling location shouting at people on their way inside. My brother-in-law was there and he said a fight nearly broke out. (The referendum passed by they way.)

As I stated in the original post I'll still eat there. I like the food. It's his place and he can choose to serve or not to serve. But I just don't get it...

Just another reason not to live in the South. No Offense man but that is just brutally wrong on so many levels

 

[david_42]

When businesses start talking religion, I take my business elsewhere. Not saying I don't do business with religious types. The service station I use has a "constantly begging for money" church station on all the time, but no one there ever mentions religion.

"A puritan is a person that lies awake at night terrified that someone, somewhere is having a good time."

 

[flyangler18]

Churchies are generally "closet" everything. It is all about putting on airs for the masses in public and waiting until you get home to break out the booze, the nuggs, the toys...etc. Just look at the likes of Ted Haggert here in Colorado. If I went to a restaurant and they told me the no longer server alcohol I would do a quick about face. If the food was good I would get it to go so I could enjoy the good food with good company, a good homebrew and no finger pointing banter how the "saved" are God's favorite.

Before this thread goes careening off into the netherworld of internet arguments, let me say that your 'lumping' of churchgoing people does absolutely nothing to actually foster any real dialogue. Fundamentalism and intolerance on either side of the aisle/pulpit/microphone is equally destructive.

While I don't agree with the teachings of some denominations, I acknowledge their right to exist.

 

[mmb]

Before this thread goes careening off into the netherworld of internet arguments, let me say that your 'lumping' of churchgoing people does absolutely nothing to actually foster any real dialogue. Fundamentalism and intolerance on either side of the aisle/pulpit/microphone is equally destructive.

While I don't agree with the teachings of some denominations, I acknowledge their right to exist.

Exactly. Humans are imperfect beings and have flaws, no matter what gender, race, economic status or creed.

Affirmative Action at its most basic level.

 

[GroovePuppy]

Churchies are generally "closet" everything.

"Generally"? Unless you're going to show me some poll numbers then I don't appreciate being generalized.

As a wise man once said, "All generalizations are rubbish."

 

[zman]

Well I am not making a sweeping generalization to any one of faith. Nor am I passing judgment on whatever one believes or does as long as it is not harmful or negative to any one else. I thought it was clear that my "Churchies" reference was addressing the "Do as I say not as I do crowd". If one chooses not to drink, smoke, do the horizontal mambo...etc... that is their own business. I just do not want someone interfering with my rights to partake in the aforementioned and I will not force my opinions on others

 

[Homercidal]

The crux of the drinking issue stems from the bible's point that drinking, as in all things, should be done in moderation. The bible warns against drinking excessively, and that being drunk is a sin, for the reason that you are no longer able to make rash decisions, and bad things happen. You should always be able to control yourself, and not be offensive to others. That's just plain being a good person, religion aside.

Some have taken this ideal to the extreme, and preach against all forms of alcohol as being sinful in of themselves, which is not exactly truthful, but it IS one way to avoid the possibility of getting drunk and doing stupid things, and also of avoiding being a drunk.

Fact is, if this guy doesn't want to serve alcohol, for whatever reason, then you can only tell him your point of view, and vote with your dollars.

There are plenty of "churchgoing" people who are not opposed to having an occasional drink, but nearly all of them are against offending others. As the bible says, be an example for others in yourself. Nobody like an obnoxious drunk.

 

[HBHoss]

The crux of the drinking issue stems from the bible's point that drinking, as in all things, should be done in moderation. The bible warns against drinking excessively, and that being drunk is a sin, for the reason that you are no longer able to make rash decisions, and bad things happen. You should always be able to control yourself, and not be offensive to others. That's just plain being a good person, religion aside.

Some have taken this ideal to the extreme, and preach against all forms of alcohol as being sinful in of themselves, which is not exactly truthful, but it IS one way to avoid the possibility of getting drunk and doing stupid things, and also of avoiding being a drunk.

Fact is, if this guy doesn't want to serve alcohol, for whatever reason, then you can only tell him your point of view, and vote with your dollars.

There are plenty of "churchgoing" people who are not opposed to having an occasional drink, but nearly all of them are against offending others. As the bible says, be an example for others in yourself. Nobody like an obnoxious drunk.

Plus in this day and age if someone gets druck and goes off and crashes into someone and kills people then the business that sold that person the beverage that got him druck can also be sued. To some people the cost of insurance and licenses is not worth it to serve Al-K-hall. If the city council came in and said no pizza parlors can sell brewskies then that's a different story.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

I don't care if people tailor their business around their own beliefs or cater to a certain clientelle.....What does get my back up (And this could have been the case with this place) Is when groups try to force the hand of businesses by threatening a boycott. This can be publicly, as is often the case, but also privately like a protection racket. That's not just christians though, all groups have their fringes that like to stick there noses in where they shouldn't oughta.

 

[GroovePuppy]

I don't care if people tailor their business around their own beliefs or cater to a certain clientelle.....What does get my back up (And this could have been the case with this place) Is when groups try to force the hand of businesses by threatening a boycott. This can be publicly, as is often the case, but also privately like a protection racket. That's not just christians though, all groups have their fringes that like to stick there noses in where they shouldn't oughta.

+1 on what Gnome said (but only because he threatened to boycott my posts if I didn't!)

 

[akamatt]

75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
this is a interesting sight. I was raised a strict Baptist and Drinking,Rock'n'roll, dancing card playing ect. was just plain wrong. This up bringing was the main reason I do not believe in "church" for myself. My father has passed and my mom has loosened up ALOT I didn’t say I don’t believe in God but Church is another story. But you should see the look my mom gives me when I tell her I think here "church" crutch is worse than my Alcohol crutch
http://www.scionofzion.com/when_christians_drink.htm

 

[GroovePuppy]

75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol

They might want to check fact 4.

4) God does not lead us into evil; He delivers us from it. He does not teach us to practice evil in moderation. Jesus did not make, use, approve, commend, or tell us to use intoxicating wine.

I think turning water into wine constitutes making wine, not to mention condoning it's consumption.