What does 2 row mean when you hear the term 2 row malt?

[unionrdr]

I don't understand how you can say that. You were born in the 50's so you have no idea what the beers back then tasted like.

Yes, that's true. But I was snitching pop's beers back when I was a kid & loved it. He eventually let me try some of the various beers he bought back then & filed them away in my memories. As I grew up, I learned first hand how beer was changing. The old recipes are not like the newer ones. I even remember Kenny King's original recipe being different from the later one. It had more coriander, red pepper & just a touch of cumin. X-99 seasoning mix Sanders said was "99%" of his recipe after tasting it himself. At least that part of my memory still works!

 

[ericbw]

Yes, that's true. But I was snitching pop's beers back when I was a kid & loved it. He eventually let me try some of the various beers he bought back then & filed them away in my memories. As I grew up, I learned first hand how beer was changing. The old recipes are not like the newer ones. I even remember Kenny King's original recipe being different from the later one. It had more coriander, red pepper & just a touch of cumin. X-99 seasoning mix Sanders said was "99%" of his recipe after tasting it himself. At least that part of my memory still works!

And you don't think that any part of that could be due to your changing taste buds? Or you don't think that the idea of snitching beers as a kid (and again, we're talking in the 1950s) OR sharing a moment with your dad has any influence on how you remember things tasting?

 

[unionrdr]

And you don't think that any part of that could be due to your changing taste buds? Or you don't think that the idea of snitching beers as a kid (and again, we're talking in the 1950s) OR sharing a moment with your dad has any influence on how you remember things tasting?

It was one of those moments, sure. I just remember the flavors & colors. I was a quick-minded kid back then. My parents used to brag to friends & relatives how I knew a show or add on the old B&W TV by the first note, among other things. So I still remember little things like that. Funny the things that stick in your head?

 

[thejuanald]

Yes, that's true. But I was snitching pop's beers back when I was a kid & loved it. He eventually let me try some of the various beers he bought back then & filed them away in my memories. As I grew up, I learned first hand how beer was changing. The old recipes are not like the newer ones. I even remember Kenny King's original recipe being different from the later one. It had more coriander, red pepper & just a touch of cumin. X-99 seasoning mix Sanders said was "99%" of his recipe after tasting it himself. At least that part of my memory still works!

I remember Red Dog being the most bitter, intense thing I'd ever had at the age of 10. When I was 18, I thought the same of Moosehead and Fat Tire. Then, I found real craft beer. Your taste buds change a lot as you grow.

 

[GrogNerd]

how DARE you remember things the way you remember them! you're so obviously WRONG!

:fro:

 

[ericbw]

how DARE you remember things the way you remember them! you're so obviously WRONG!

:fro:

Not right or wrong. Just realistic.

Does anyone have any real information about the recipe of X beer in 1955 and the same beer in 1985, 1995, 2014, etc.?

Because we just heard that Red Dog was really bitter in the past.

 

[GrogNerd]

you mean in the 20 years since it was first brewed?

I'm sure it was much more bitter back then

 

[thejuanald]

Because we just heard that Red Dog was really bitter in the past.

That was just my way of stating that the taste buds of a 10 year old are not terribly discerning and cannot be trusted. Obviously Red Dog is not (or was not) actually what I experienced as a child.

 

[ericbw]

That was just my way of stating that the taste buds of a 10 year old are not terribly discerning and cannot be trusted. Obviously Red Dog is not (or was not) actually what I experienced as a child.

I'm agreeing. All the other reports of great beer in the 50s are anecdotal stories about kids tastes.

 

[glenn514]

OK, let me see if I understand this. Two-row has 2 real rows of grains, and six-row has 6 real rows of grains. Did I miss something in the translation?

glenn514

 

[Rjppunk]

@Glenn somewhere in the thread there are useful tidbits about fermentable sugars and grain sizes. We've kinda gone off the rails

 

[ericbw]

It was an easy answer that was given right away. Everything else here is just icing on the cake!

 

[hunter_le five]

I remember sneaking a taste of my dad's Budweiser when I was 4. This was back in the early 90s. I thought it was disgusting and spit it out all over the floor.

Flash forward 22 years. While Budweiser is hardly my beverage of choice, I will drink it when there is a lack of alternatives.

CLEARLY, the formula for Budweiser has improved drastically over the past couple decades, because I have anecdotal proof.

 

[beergolf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by beergolf
I don't understand how you can say that. You were born in the 50's so you have no idea what the beers back then tasted like.



Yes, that's true. But I was snitching pop's beers back when I was a kid & loved it. He eventually let me try some of the various beers he bought back then & filed them away in my memories. As I grew up, I learned first hand how beer was changing. The old recipes are not like the newer ones. I even remember Kenny King's original recipe being different from the later one. It had more coriander, red pepper & just a touch of cumin. X-99 seasoning mix Sanders said was "99%" of his recipe after tasting it himself. At least that part of my memory still works!

Wow, I am impressed. You say you are 58 years old, so you were born in 1956. So for you to have tasted a 50's beer you drank it when you were 3 years old. You must be the idiot savant of beer tasters, because drinking a beer at 3 years old and then remembering the taste 55 years later is very impressive.

 

[unionrdr]

Wow, I am impressed. You say you are 58 years old, so you were born in 1956. So for you to have tasted a 50's beer you drank it when you were 3 years old. You must be the idiot savant of beer tasters, because drinking a beer at 3 years old and then remembering the taste 55 years later is very impressive.

I got erased by the friggin hacker again. Dammit, after all that work. I know what those things must sound like. I remember the over-all flavor as being richer with more color & balanced flavor. I also remember watching my first F1 race. I watched , at 1 year old, Fangio win the German grand prix at the old Nurburgring. And his 5th world driving championship that it took Schumacher some 45 years to equal. Anyway, I remember the basics...

 

[ericbw]

I got erased by the friggin hacker again. Dammit, after all that work. I know what those things must sound like. I remember the over-all flavor as being richer with more color & balanced flavor. I also remember watching my first F1 race. I watched , at 1 year old, Fangio win the German grand prix at the old Nurburgring. And his 5th world driving championship that it took Schumacher some 45 years to equal. Anyway, I remember the basics...

You were born in 1956? So your parents were giving you sips of beer and you were snitching beers before the age of 4? And you remember the subtle differences between 15 IBUs and 10 IBUs?

No one is saying that beer wasn't different years ago. But you're claiming to be an expert taster as a toddler. In the 1950s.

What channel was that race on in 1957? You might have a recollection but really knowing details? From 1957?

 

[evanmars]

Found this somewhere on the web, BeerAdvocate, I think:

Michelob (typo in the below ad, apparently) at the time was all-malt, as were a number of the others according to testimony given by Adolphus Busch before Congress in 1903, in which he stated "... the beer of this company is made entirely of barley malt, hops and yeast, except that some rice is used in order to make a very pale beer of the Bohemian type. "