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after switching to avangard and golden promise i have noticed an improvement in my beers over briess 2 row.

i think avangard is my new favorite for value and flavor. i didint realize how much the base malt affects the beer . even though i know thats kind of obvious .


i know a lot of people like MO. i havent tried that yet tho.

do you think its worth watering down the more expensive malts with briess 2 row or is it better to just stick to one base malt.
 
I like supporting organic agriculture, so my favorite base malt is Great Western Organic Premium Two Row. Plump, clean, tasty - perfect for the styles I mostly brew. I've used various pilsner malts instead, where appropriate.

I get that economy might drive one to consider mixing a favorite base malt with cheaper ones. No shame in that, but if you feel that the more expensive malt really improves your beer, this could be a false economy. How much will you really save per batch this way?
 
I'm a fan of Weyermann malts, especially the Floor Malted Bohemian. Won 2 BoS comps using it. Great Western and Rahr put out some very good North American products, and it's hard to beat Briess for affordable quality malts. BestMalz and Avant Guard are staple favorites as well. Too many boutique maltsters to list, producing some great regional malts as well, but they tend to be pricey,

Low yields and declining markets have driven costs up along with availability issues. It's a scramble having to hunt around to find what you're looking for. Buy in bulk when you find your favorites.
 
Ye Olde Pale Ale from local-to-me Sugar Creek:

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(DISCLAIMER: No otters were harmed in the making of this malt.)

Though their white wheat and Vienna malts are also very good…
 
MO (Crisp or Bairds) for most pale beers. Haven't brewed with 2-row in quite some time. I like the added dimension from British base malt. For lagers, Weyermann Pilsner, especially Barke.

I haven't yet brewed with malts from smaller maltsters. I've kind of wanted to try some, but it's so much easier for me to get my hands on the above malts. Rahr is "local" to me, but their grain is sourced from all over the region, and they are by no means small. I've tried their North Star Pils, and made a nice Kolsch with it.
 
I get Malteurop locally for $49.99 a sack will call and also their Pilsner for a little more. Makes great beer for the price. Also, if you want a pilsner malt in the German style, Weyerman Barke Pilsner cannot be beat (the most malty of the pilsners I have tried).
 
My favorites have been Simpsons Golden Promise, Weyermann Pilsner and Briess Brewer's Malt, in that order, since at least 2008, when I could get sacks of them at my LHBS Strange Brew (RIP) 15 minutes away. Now I'm lucky to have an HBT member a couple miles from me who makes BSG runs a couple times a year for sacks of malt so I still get my favorites and have plenty on hand - for the first half of 2025 at least :)

Cheers!
 
My favorite base malt was Skagit Copeland Pilsner, from our former local organic maltster. Since they shut down I haven't found one that really rings my bell yet. Hoping another indy pops up in the neighborhood. I know terrior doesn't mean as much in beer as it does for wine, but I like the thought of local farms producing my malt, and if the maltster is local as well it seems a lot more efficient.

I still love Tos. Fawcett and Sons Golden Promise but it can get up past $80 a bag so I use it mainly in my Wee Heavy now and not much else.
 
I'll tell you what malts I increasingly don't like, and those are the ones 'purportedly' carried by MoreBeer! I'm getting very weary of all their "offerings" that end up being just so much vaporware. It seems like they are only advertising about a fourth of the variety they used to carry pre-Covid. And those that are listed are "temporarily unavailable." Of course, you can't tell that they're "out of stock" until you select them for your cart. Then you are redirected to a list of comparable malts. But then when you click on one of them, you discover that they are also unavailable, after you attempt to put them in your cart!

MoreBeer used to be my first go-to. I bought my first boil pot from them about 30 years ago. When they opened their East Coast distribution facility, I could receive my order often the next day! Those days are long gone. I've patronized them a few times since the opening of their centralized shipping warehouse in Kansas City, and the service has just been 'O.K.' But this fiasco with grains has become an unacceptable joke.

Just this afternoon I received a new email offering an absolutely unbelievable price for a 55# bag of Rahr Pilsner, roughly half off, which would more than cover the price of shipping. When I went to put it in my cart, it came up "Unavailable at this time." Huh??!? There was an adjacent list of 5 other base malts to substitute (not on sale), three of which were also "unavailable." This blatant bait and switch has really chapped my a**, if you can't already tell.
 
I'll tell you what malts I increasingly don't like, and those are the ones 'purportedly' carried by MoreBeer! I'm getting very weary of all their "offerings" that end up being just so much vaporware. It seems like they are only advertising about a fourth of the variety they used to carry pre-Covid. And those that are listed are "temporarily unavailable." Of course, you can't tell that they're "out of stock" until you select them for your cart. Then you are redirected to a list of comparable malts. But then when you click on one of them, you discover that they are also unavailable, after you attempt to put them in your cart!

MoreBeer used to be my first go-to. I bought my first boil pot from them about 30 years ago. When they opened their East Coast distribution facility, I could receive my order often the next day! Those days are long gone. I've patronized them a few times since the opening of their centralized shipping warehouse in Kansas City, and the service has just been 'O.K.' But this fiasco with grains has become an unacceptable joke.

Just this afternoon I received a new email offering an absolutely unbelievable price for a 55# bag of Rahr Pilsner, roughly half off, which would more than cover the price of shipping. When I went to put it in my cart, it came up "Unavailable at this time." Huh??!? There was an adjacent list of 5 other base malts to substitute (not on sale), three of which were also "unavailable." This blatant bait and switch has really chapped my a**, if you can't already tell.
You could try Northern Brewer or Farmhouse.
 
Crisp Marris Otter. I've always really liked this malt, but when I lived in the US, I only used it for British ales since it was typically more expensive than American two-row and so on. But with exchange rates as they are now, Marris Otter is actually a lot cheaper for me than American (or Canadian) two-row, so I often use Marris Otter for West Coast IPAs, American Pale Ales, and other distinctly American styles, and it tastes great. So far, I've never bought a full bag of malt before. I just don't brew enough volume to justify it. But if I were to buy a full bag, the first one I'd get would probably be Crisp Marris Otter.
 
I'll tell you what malts I increasingly don't like, and those are the ones 'purportedly' carried by MoreBeer! I'm getting very weary of all their "offerings" that end up being just so much vaporware. It seems like they are only advertising about a fourth of the variety they used to carry pre-Covid. And those that are listed are "temporarily unavailable." Of course, you can't tell that they're "out of stock" until you select them for your cart. Then you are redirected to a list of comparable malts. But then when you click on one of them, you discover that they are also unavailable, after you attempt to put them in your cart!

MoreBeer used to be my first go-to. I bought my first boil pot from them about 30 years ago. When they opened their East Coast distribution facility, I could receive my order often the next day! Those days are long gone. I've patronized them a few times since the opening of their centralized shipping warehouse in Kansas City, and the service has just been 'O.K.' But this fiasco with grains has become an unacceptable joke.

Just this afternoon I received a new email offering an absolutely unbelievable price for a 55# bag of Rahr Pilsner, roughly half off, which would more than cover the price of shipping. When I went to put it in my cart, it came up "Unavailable at this time." Huh??!? There was an adjacent list of 5 other base malts to substitute (not on sale), three of which were also "unavailable." This blatant bait and switch has really chapped my a**, if you can't already tell.
MoreBeer has been pushing Viking Malt since they became their exclusive US distributor. Especially on the pro side. They also have some kind of arrangement with Country Malt, but they probably can’t buy and sell those malts as cheaply as the Viking malt.

As for my favorite base malt, it’s a tough question to answer. Really depends on the style. I love brewing with Maris Otter, but a modern English Pale Malt is probably more versatile to use in American and English styles.
 
MoreBeer has been pushing Viking Malt since they became their exclusive US distributor. Especially on the pro side. They also have some kind of arrangement with Country Malt, but they probably can’t buy and sell those malts as cheaply as the Viking malt.

As for my favorite base malt, it’s a tough question to answer. Really depends on the style. I love brewing with Maris Otter, but a modern English Pale Malt is probably more versatile to use in American and English styles.
They can’t sell Viking malts that they advertise but don’t have on hand. Trust me. I tried loading a few into my cart. “Not available.”
 
They can’t sell Viking malts that they advertise but don’t have on hand. Trust me. I tried loading a few into my cart. “Not available.”
Planning and logistics isn’t easy. I lived that nightmare for long enough. I can only imagine how long those containers from Poland or Finland take to get to Oklahoma or wherever their warehouse is now.
 
Planning and logistics isn’t easy. I lived that nightmare for long enough. I can only imagine how long those containers from Poland or Finland take to get to Oklahoma or wherever their warehouse is now.
Yeah, I get that. With all the supply chain issues since Covid, the move MoreBeer made consolidating their warehouses in KC, the decline in the hobby, etc., I’ve tried to be patient and understanding. But my patience is beginning to wear thin.
 
Yeah, I get that. With all the supply chain issues since Covid, the move MoreBeer made consolidating their warehouses in KC, the decline in the hobby, etc., I’ve tried to be patient and understanding. But my patience is beginning to wear thin.

That’s where BSG will always have an advantage. They have so many pro customers and points of distribution it’s easier for them to keep Weyermann, Crisp, Simpsons, Diegenmans, & Rahr in stock.
 
Crisp Marris Otter. I've always really liked this malt, but when I lived in the US, I only used it for British ales since it was typically more expensive than American two-row and so on. But with exchange rates as they are now, Marris Otter is actually a lot cheaper for me than American (or Canadian) two-row, so I often use Marris Otter for West Coast IPAs, American Pale Ales, and other distinctly American styles, and it tastes great. So far, I've never bought a full bag of malt before. I just don't brew enough volume to justify it. But if I were to buy a full bag, the first one I'd get would probably be Crisp Marris Otter.
I just got a bag of Crisp #19 floor malted maris otter. The best by date is two years away.
 
Pretty much anything Simpson. GP and MO depending on style, light or dark respectively. I like Munton's MO a lot as well. Viking Munich or any dark-ish Vienna also get an honourable mention. Fawcett and Paul's I don't like, Crisp MO is not better than the alternatives. Dingemans MO is also very bad.
 
That’s where BSG will always have an advantage. They have so many pro customers and points of distribution it’s easier for them to keep Weyermann, Crisp, Simpsons, Diegenmans, & Rahr in stock.
I didn't think that individuals could order from BSG. I thought they were just commercial accounts. I know that's where my LHBS and the brewery I've had the opportunity to brew with on two occasions order through BSG.
 
I didn't think that individuals could order from BSG. I thought they were just commercial accounts. I know that's where my LHBS and the brewery I've had the opportunity to brew with on two occasions order through BSG.

Correct, BSG won’t sell wholesale to homebrewers. They have a division that supplies homebrew retailers. They don’t want to undercut their retailers. It’s also why they don’t love professional brewers doing group buys for homebrewers.
 
I just got a bag of Crisp #19 floor malted maris otter. The best by date is two years away.
That's really interesting. I've always heard and read that unmilled base malts are good for about 6 months, while specialty malts are good for about 12 months (though different sources will vary on those numbers a bit). Since hops in the freezer and dry yeast in the fridge can be good for about 2 years or longer, I've always stocked up on hops the most, yeast to a smaller extent, but only bought grains when I needed them for a brew, occasionally buying enough for two brews off. But if the maltsters themselves put the best buy date at two years away, that does seem like an amount I could use within a two year window. I've also seen those experiments (such as the ones done by Brewlosophy) where they brewed with grain that was several years old and it still tasted good.
 
Pretty much anything Simpson. GP and MO depending on style, light or dark respectively. I like Munton's MO a lot as well. Viking Munich or any dark-ish Vienna also get an honourable mention. Fawcett and Paul's I don't like, Crisp MO is not better than the alternatives. Dingemans MO is also very bad.
I am curious to understand your experience of these malts. The ones you do or don't like: can you describe what about, e.g., Dingemans, Munton's, or Crisp MO, really stood out for you (as good or undesirable)?
 
fwiw, by the time we mere mortals get malted barley the grain may already be well over a year old...

Cheers!
True, that. We can try to chase fresh hops, though I'm mostly brewing with (frozen) pellets that are more than a year old. But without doing our own malting, we're probably always some considerable distance down the malt supply chain. Several storage locations along the way. No date or lot codes visible on the sack of Great Western I'm about to open. Can't recall ever seeing that info, which I imagine is included with a pallet of malt sacks.
 
I am curious to understand your experience of these malts. The ones you do or don't like: can you describe what about, e.g., Dingemans, Munton's, or Crisp MO, really stood out for you (as good or undesirable)?
Simpson's ticks all the right boxes for me, both GP and MO. The malt flavour, the colour, efficiency, etc. They're very flavorful, but not overwhelming and well-balanced. Munton's is similar, but has a more intense flavour profile. More malty and other terms I'm not good at describing regarding malt flavour. I like that in dark beers a lot, but sadly I don't have a supplier anymore. Crisp is not bad, but it seemed to have less character and the flavour was not as full. Crisp also has a slightly lower yield that can come into play when brewing big beers. I've used it mainly in dark beers and it just wasn't the same as Munton's.
Fawcett base malt is also rather lacking and somehow the MO seemed a tad astringent. GP was decent, but not as good as Simpson. Mild is a very interesting malt though. Halcyon I've tried once in an imperial stout and that beer is weird. I'm not sure if it's the halcyon or anything else, but it's a recipe that's similar to what I make more often so I'm leaning towards Halcyon. I do really like their crystal and roasted malts though. Dingemans MO was full of DMS, too light for me and lacking in flavour. Their wheat and Vienna are nice though. Paul's is plain, boring and too light for me. I don't like most of their malts I've tried though, because they just don't seem as flavourful as other English brands.
Viking Munich was the first Munich that I tried that has a good depth of flavour, strong backbone and a potential good standalone without overwhelming me like the extra dark Belgian stuff. I used Swaen before and their light Munich is very lacking in flavour and their dark Munich is more of what their light Munich should be. I don't make a lot of beers that are full on Munich so my references are somewhat limited, so perhaps Viking is the odd one out here, though I wouldn't think so purely based on the colour Swaen's have without the flavour backing it up. Like I said, Belgian Munich can be super dark, but it also tastes equally intense.

I haven't had the chance to try Simpson's crystal yet, but their roast and base malts are awesome. Crisp is also amazing for roast malt. TF is good for mild, crystal (medium, dark and especially extra dark) and roast (especially black and rye).

Edit: I also just realised that I have DM Munich now, but I'll need to do a SMaSH with it. I've tried it together with Weyermann Munich 2 in a rauchbier and the malt flavour is spot on in samples (it's still a bit yeasty), so I think I would like that one as well. I'm leaning towards Swaen being the bad option here, because when I used their Munich there was a lack of maltiness in pretty much the same recipe otherwise.
 
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Correct, BSG won’t sell wholesale to homebrewers. They have a division that supplies homebrew retailers. They don’t want to undercut their retailers. It’s also why they don’t love professional brewers doing group buys for homebrewers.

Just trying to understand. Group buys by pass the retailer (More Beer, Northern, etc.) because pro brewers are buying direct from BSG. In other words, probrewers doing group buys eliminate the middle man for us homebrewers?
 
Depends on the beer but I'm digging Fawcetts Mild Malt at the moment.
Brewed a stong bitter and a robust porter with it and they turned out lovely.
First time brewing both recipes so it might not all be down to the base malt but so far so good.
 
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