what i find amusing is, on one hand, people are going the lengths of the earth to avoid the dreaded 'oxidation' that all beers have always had, even tho we like the taste of traditional beers, but at the same time, some of the *same* people, are excited about totally spoiled beer (sours). I get it, if you're a belgian peasant, you may not have another choice besides spoiled beer, just like some people like menudo or pigs feet or SOS because they were dirt poor growing up and that's all they had to eat... it reminds them of home and family, yadda yadda yadda. Me... I stay away from all that stuff. My family is climbing the social ladder.