used keg morals

[user 4295]

I'm simply illustrating another of those "gray" areas. No fingers pointed at anyone specific.

I don't have enough fingers....:cross:

I could have used the "driving over 70MPH"....

Or the "deducting my dogs acupuncture as a medical expense on my taxes"...

analogies. No mal intent intended.

Point taken.

 

[kvh]

oh, my - spicy topic, eh?

I hate to say it folks, but I think I'm going to go for it. I realize it's possibly not the most ethical thing, but I ... well, I can't argue for it well other than I'm eager to grab a keggle or two when they're made available.

That said, if my girlfriend says 'No, we don't have the space for it, I don't care - no-way-no-how!', i'll be passing on them...

kvh

 

[BierMuncher]

I'm coming back to this pub. Conversation is lively and never once did someone ask "did I kill my yeast?".

And the beer is good too.

 

[krispy d]

thanks for the edit. I wasn't thinking when I posted that someone on another board might not want there contact info strewn around the web...

 

[TCHDNSD]

I'm coming back to this pub. Conversation is lively and never once did someone ask "did I kill my yeast?".

And the beer is good too.


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Help!!!!!!Did I kill my yeast???????





(you asked for it)

 

[Cheesefood]

No, the real question should be whether it's better to steal SS or Aluminum kegs.

 

[jdoiv]

I don't have a keggle and don't want or need one, so I have no dog in this fight. However, has anyone thought to call the local distributor and see if they have any kegs that are damaged and are not going to be returned to the brewery? They may just sell them to you for the price of scrap. Just a thought. Even the local micros may have some that are being aged out that they would be willing to sell to a home brewer.

Now back to the regularly scheduled debate

 

[krispy d]

your well thought out logic has no place in immature argument full of half truths and conjecture!

 

[kvh]

your well thought out logic has no place in immature argument full of half truths and conjecture!

here here!

 

[delboy]

For a laugh my ass. You are comparing apples to oranges with that analogy.

Newsflash, thats the point of an analogy to compare two things like apples and oranges, they are different in some respects but similar in others ie in this instance they are both fruits.
Just as purchasing a keg from someone who has aquired the keg by non-legal means is the same as purchasing a car from someone that has aquired it by non-legal means where they differ is the cost of the said item (oh and you can't drive a keg ).

I think some other poster stated this made me look dumb, but then again was coming from someone that was spouting on some drivel about the brewer who shock horror had a problem with people stealing goods, so i'll take that as a roundabout compliment

 

[kvh]

That being said, I'm calling the local breweries right now...

damn you and your sensible, down to earth logic...

I mean thanks.

kvh

 

[Yuri_Rage]

ive always wondered that, what keeps people from buying a keg paying the deposit drinking all the beer turning the keg into a keggle with all the trimmings and making $200+ profit off of it? is there a way for the brewery to track the kegs once they have been sold to an individual, is there any ill effects of keeping a keg once you have drank all the beer out of it except minus your money?!

You can only do that once or twice per distributor before they get wise to you. Every time I've gotten a keg, I've had to sign for it, usually under a photocopy of my driver's license. I've run into problems trying to get another keg without returning the first one (for a party where I know I'm going to run out of beer in the existing keg at home, so I'll need some more). It takes a lot of explaining to get them to agree to give you a second keg without returning the first. You probably wouldn't make much profit before the distributor cut you off.

That guy's story about not returning the kegs is a load of bull$hit, too. There is usually no statute of limitations on returning empty kegs for the deposit. I've returned them over a year later with no problems (forgotten kegs under someone else's name in a closet at work). This guy is either a real idiot or a bad liar - I think I would avoid any business with him, regardless of my moral stance on kegs.

 

[Orfy]

It's not right to ask others to justify your morality. Only you can do that.
You know it's not right or legal but if you want to do it then it's up to you.

Unless you want people to judge you.

 

[Dude]

Newsflash, thats the point of an analogy to compare two things like apples and oranges, they are different in some respects but similar in others ie in this instance they are both fruits.
Just as purchasing a keg from someone who has aquired the keg by non-legal means is the same as purchasing a car from someone that has aquired it by non-legal means where they differ is the cost of the said item (oh and you can't drive a keg ).

I think some other poster stated this made me look dumb, but then again was coming from someone that was spouting on some drivel about the brewer who shock horror had a problem with people stealing goods, so i'll take that as a roundabout compliment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/orange

 

[Evets]

Maybe you should buy the kegs for $25 and turn them in for $75. If they won't take them back, I guess you're stuck with them.

 

[delboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/orange

just because its became a platitude for a idiom doesn' mean that the definition of an analogy is wrong.

i'll stick to collins and websters still cary more weight than wiki

 

[Dude]

just because its became a platitude for a idiom doesn' mean that the definition of an analogy is wrong.

i'll stick to collins and websters still cary more weight than wiki

Okay, you win.

Your opinion on the keg ethics is respectable, I can accept it.

But your idea of an analogy is false. I'll leave well enough alone.

 

[Vermicous]

I recently purchased a keg of coors light for a bachelor party. The store where I purchased it from told me up front that I had 2 weeks to return it for deposit. I haven't tested them yet to see if they will indeed keep my deposit for returning it past 2 weeks, but they will get the keg back. It's the only store in town with a good beer selection.

I've tried not to weigh in on these debates, made my views known in one thread and dislike commenting again. However, I can't judge people on where they get their kegs. I can well understand the temptation. The keg in my freezer of BMC swill is just sitting there, taunting me. It knows I need another keg for a fermenter.

Regardless, I believe that this debate will not die without some large changes in how distributing is handled. Until breweries are allowed to charge what they think is a fair deposit, the profit or convenience of keeping kegs will not go away.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

I recently purchased a keg of coors light for a bachelor party. The store where I purchased it from told me up front that I had 2 weeks to return it for deposit. I haven't tested them yet to see if they will indeed keep my deposit for returning it past 2 weeks, but they will get the keg back. It's the only store in town with a good beer selection.

Wow, never heard of that...and 2 weeks is an awfully short period of time! I suppose there is one case where I would flat out keep a keg from a distributor: if they refused to give my deposit back.

 

[JeepGuy]

I had a liquor store tell me as little as 2 days to get the deposit back. Most recently, I just take in my empty when I need a new full one and they don't charge me for deposit. I keep 'em until they're empty (a month or two) then simply replace it with a full one. No more deposits, but they always get them back.

 

[SpamDog]

FWIW.. Here in vermont soda bottles have a deposit.. I don't really see anyone up in arms about them not getting returned to be reused.. or upset when people cut them open to make funnels. I also don't see people acusing others of theft when they keep the soda bottles.. or beer bottles for that matter.. If I were to sell some of my beer bottles cause I had extra would anyone have a problem with that?

Just some food for thought.... speaking of food.. off to grill some steaks!

SpamDog

 

[Hopleaf]

Far worse injustices in the world to worry about. That being said, you're more than likely buying stolen goods so if that risk is acceptable to you then that's life.

 

[Moonpile]

That being said, I'm calling the local breweries right now...

damn you and your sensible, down to earth logic...

I mean thanks.

kvh

I'm in the B'more area. Let me know what you find out about who is selling legit kegs.

Thanks!

Moon

 

[kvh]

Well before I left work today, while I was waiting for a meeting to start, I called Frederick P Winner, a distributor I regularly see in front of the Mt. Royal Tavern (if you're a baltimore local and not familiar with "The Tavern", you may not be a local -- not saying I recommend them necessarily, but they are an institution, and directly behind where I work)... Anyway - talked with someone higher up and they recommended calling the actual local breweries and asking them...

I then called Clipper City, Fordham, Ellicott City, and Frederick. Basically I got nowhere, other than to e-mail someone higher up... or no one picked up the phone. I'll follow up tomorrow if I can find the time.

I'm honestly also still torn about buying these questionable kegs... My girlfriend seems unfazed by the thought of it... I'll sleep on it I suppose...

kvh

 

[Orfy]

FWIW.. Here in vermont soda bottles have a deposit.. I don't really see anyone up in arms about them not getting returned to be reused.. or upset when people cut them open to make funnels. I also don't see people acusing others of theft when they keep the soda bottles.. or beer bottles for that matter.. If I were to sell some of my beer bottles cause I had extra would anyone have a problem with that?

Just some food for thought.... speaking of food.. off to grill some steaks!

SpamDog

I think people are loosing sight of one of the main problems here.
Stealing kegs from breweries hurts them financially. Especially the smaller craft breweries. In the UK at least it can be a large part of their operating cost and can and has push some of them over the edge. In the past and some have closed and stated keg costs to be a major factor in their financial difficulties.

www.kegwatch.co.uk

 

[Dude]

I think people are loosing sight of one of the main problems here.
Stealing kegs from breweries hurts them financially. Especially the smaller craft breweries. In the UK at least it can be a large part of their operating cost and can and has push some of them over the edge. In the past and some have closed and stated keg costs to be a major factor in their financial difficulties.

www.kegwatch.co.uk

I don't think anyone is losing sight.

One person early in the thread said it best. The kegs have been "stolen" already, essentially. The thief/thieves have put them up for sale. If kvh doesn't go buy them, SOMEONE ELSE WILL.

But I guarantee, the kegs will NEVER go back to the brewery, and the cops aren't going to come and confiscate them. At least not in the US anyway.

Morally wrong or not, I'm just glad a homebrewer is going to put them to good use.

 

[Jester369]

FWIW.. Here in vermont soda bottles have a deposit..

Yes, but the deposit on soda bottles is not to ensure that the bottle gets returned to the soda maker, it's to make sure the empty doesn't end up by the side of the road as litter.

 

[Willsellout]

I'm buying three kegs next week for 20 bucks each. They are AB kegs from a guy who's had them for a few years just collecting dust in his garage. I have no problem taking them off his hands.



Dan

 

[Bobby_M]

I steal all my equipment including hydrometers and buckets. I'm evil like that. Can we get back to talking about brewing now?

 

[olllllo]

I steal all my equipment including hydrometers and buckets. I'm evil like that. Can we get back to talking about brewing now?

Got any good recipies I can steal?