bathroomlaughter
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whats ur bostons name?
The Official Modern Times League Of Partygoers & Elegant People Thread
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coldstorage
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Marlowe, and he kicks fkn ass!
So I stopped by the downtown LA location when I was in town last month and grabbed a few of their cold brew cans. I hadn’t seen them on their website but does anybody know if there’s a way to purchase them online and have them ship?
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Find a friend in LA. Have said friend buy, pickup and ship to you. Pay your friend. Profit!
smithj21541
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I could be your friend but I'm in SD
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ModernTimesSteven
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I wasn't going to put the additional bottles up for sale, but there were 35 left so I decided 30 minutes before the sale that I was going to and just posted it on facebook instead of spamming people with another email. Disaster ensued, but lesson learned. Wasn't some evil plan where I was trying to screw people over. Next time there will be an email. I'm sorry.
Cheers,
Steven Michael
Modern Times Beer
Tyrsis
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y u so evil steve
coldstorage
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I appreciate the response, but also want to point out that nothing I said suggested:
I recognize that you guys work really hard at what ends up often being a largely thankless job. I am sympathetic to how many beer people register pretty high on the spectrum of expectations. I get zero pleasure from adding to that chorus. On the other hand, i've asked a few times this year "whats going on w/ XXX?" and someone in here quotes the facebook group to get me the info. It's frustrating. But, if I don't use facebook, I don't get the same access to info in life in general. My choice. On the other hand, sales that are only posted to facebook, (twice now in 4 months by my count)...to me, crosses a line from frustrating to diminishing my membership benefits. Are you evil for running that experiment? Absolutely not. Am I just another inconsolable consumer, "bitching more than i'm helpful" because I express that opinion? (An opinion I would add that was not maliciously unsolicited retribution like "i'm angry and am going to the highest mountain I can find to destroy MTs reputation w/ all the 1 star yelp reviews I can muster!!!!", but rather in responding to another member who partook in the sale?) Well... I don't think so.
Lastly, hopefully its obvious that when my temperature spiked in the conversation, at that point i'm defending my character moreso than attacking MT. In doing so, I needed to expand on the source of frustration and MT becomes collateral damage. The post you quoted has heat... but literally less than 50% of it's content is even about MT. The heat is directed at the poster making claims that i'm being dishonest, fault seeking and entitled .
So, apologies if it left you feeling “no good deed goes unpunished”.
I recognize that you guys work really hard at what ends up often being a largely thankless job. I am sympathetic to how many beer people register pretty high on the spectrum of expectations. I get zero pleasure from adding to that chorus. On the other hand, i've asked a few times this year "whats going on w/ XXX?" and someone in here quotes the facebook group to get me the info. It's frustrating. But, if I don't use facebook, I don't get the same access to info in life in general. My choice. On the other hand, sales that are only posted to facebook, (twice now in 4 months by my count)...to me, crosses a line from frustrating to diminishing my membership benefits. Are you evil for running that experiment? Absolutely not. Am I just another inconsolable consumer, "bitching more than i'm helpful" because I express that opinion? (An opinion I would add that was not maliciously unsolicited retribution like "i'm angry and am going to the highest mountain I can find to destroy MTs reputation w/ all the 1 star yelp reviews I can muster!!!!", but rather in responding to another member who partook in the sale?) Well... I don't think so.
Lastly, hopefully its obvious that when my temperature spiked in the conversation, at that point i'm defending my character moreso than attacking MT. In doing so, I needed to expand on the source of frustration and MT becomes collateral damage. The post you quoted has heat... but literally less than 50% of it's content is even about MT. The heat is directed at the poster making claims that i'm being dishonest, fault seeking and entitled .
So, apologies if it left you feeling “no good deed goes unpunished”.
Xul1
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Obviously I'm not Steven and won't speak for him (nor does he need me to), but a couple specific points raised my interest:
Obviously selling the extra bottles is a different issue, but if you want to see more updates/information via email, I think it would be worth clarifying what level of information you'd want as someone who doesn't use social media. I realize that's both broad and difficult - it's impossible to know exactly what you're missing since you don't see it - but you can probably get a rough understanding of it by what gets copied on to this forum and BA.
A lot of those instances are where the answer is "it's coming soon," or "TBA" or some form of that, and I think that's just the nature of the beast in the fact that the FB group is a much less formal method of communication, where Steven can fire off a quick response when someone asks and a good portion of the League can see it. I think everyone would get annoyed as hell if we got frequent email broadcasts that amounted to some form of "We didn't forget this, it's coming soon," whereas the voluntary nature of FB means that those who want to keep up more can do so at their own pace while people who are comfortable letting things happen can wait for official emails. It's definitely imperfect, but when things are completed and there are tangible updates to be given, I feel like he has largely done a good job of relaying that information via the email lists (although I'm not the most unbiased judge of that - I'm incredibly plugged in to their social media presence, so I can't always recall what I saw via email vs. what I said on FB). That said, MT is very driven by demand and feedback so if there's a need for more communication via email, I'm sure they'd be open to the idea.
Obviously selling the extra bottles is a different issue, but if you want to see more updates/information via email, I think it would be worth clarifying what level of information you'd want as someone who doesn't use social media. I realize that's both broad and difficult - it's impossible to know exactly what you're missing since you don't see it - but you can probably get a rough understanding of it by what gets copied on to this forum and BA.
What was the other one? Honest question because I don't recall any other sales that were only posted to the FB group.
coldstorage
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Re: point 1 - I outlined above the type of communication I crave: “hey club members theory allocations will go live at 10am on x date, league sales go live at 10am on y date and public sales at 10am on z date"... you know, some kind of heads up about the when and what of membership benefits that goes out in advance of the sales going live. Currently, I can get a sense of the what part from the tasting preview menus but allocation amounts, pricing or (most critical for me) when the sale goes live is all in a fog until the (somewhat patterned, but not dependably consistent) sale has already gone live. I can’t be the only person who is crushed under their boring ass grown up obligations and uses calendar reminders to stay involved in their various hobbies? I also find it fairly hard to imagine anyone finding that type of communication to be burdensome spam. It’s industry standard in all other beer clubs and wine lists I use. That being said, I actually would not expect them to change a policy if I’m the only one who feels it’s a beneficial change.My grandmother wouldn't have a telephone in her home or drive a car. Its in my blood. I accept my destiny, and all related impacts.
On the other hand, I’m really shocked that this mild disappointment is controversial at all. I’m not blowing up cantillon in their IG comments because they wouldn’t break me off my favorite seasonal that was bottled on my birthday or some of the other weird hysterics so common in beer culture. I’m watching other people get more value and better utility from the same extremely expensive membership I bought, and i'm chiming in with a “well, sucks for me”.
Honestly, in my world it’s more of an entitled move to mail them asking them to overhaul process for lil ol me than it is to just blow off a little steam about the fit itt. In the hierarchy of whiny ******* plays I feel like grumbling about being left out is a bit lower that tagging Steven w/ "When does the sale go live? When will the limits double? What are the least smelly brand of socks?" but maybe I have it twisted. I guess that's what it really comes down to for me.
Re: point 2 - A second round (or reopening?) of monster tones sales in Feb. Password protected, posted to Facebook, no email.
On the other hand, I’m really shocked that this mild disappointment is controversial at all. I’m not blowing up cantillon in their IG comments because they wouldn’t break me off my favorite seasonal that was bottled on my birthday or some of the other weird hysterics so common in beer culture. I’m watching other people get more value and better utility from the same extremely expensive membership I bought, and i'm chiming in with a “well, sucks for me”.
Honestly, in my world it’s more of an entitled move to mail them asking them to overhaul process for lil ol me than it is to just blow off a little steam about the fit itt. In the hierarchy of whiny ******* plays I feel like grumbling about being left out is a bit lower that tagging Steven w/ "When does the sale go live? When will the limits double? What are the least smelly brand of socks?" but maybe I have it twisted. I guess that's what it really comes down to for me.
Re: point 2 - A second round (or reopening?) of monster tones sales in Feb. Password protected, posted to Facebook, no email.
I got to be honest.
I love you.
Srs,mate I have no investment but I 100% agree with you on all this.
Keep at it.
Xul1
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The current structure, in sequential order:
1) Preview Tasting - Takes place in SD and PDX on a Tuesday night. LA is a bit of a moving target, but will always be within a day.
2) ToLC Presale - Starts when the email with sale info goes out, which is generally later on Tuesday night after the preview tasting, although at least once it was on the following Wednesday morning. Personally, I'd prefer it just start at 10 AM on Wednesday morning since I'll always be in front of my laptop whereas I might still be out and about after the tasting.
3) League Presale - Starts at 10 AM Thursday morning. ToLC limits also reset at this point so we can double up.
4) League Limit Increase - This has been a moving target, but for April, it was at 10 AM on Saturday. Now that Steven has an assistant, it's more likely that it will be nailed down to a specific time, but that's merely a guess on my part.
5) Public Sale - Starts at 10 AM Sunday morning.
6) Pickups - LA and SD start on the following Wednesday, PDX a week later (I think?).
Items 2 and 4 are the only steps that aren't locked in at this point, and I suspect they will get more locked in over the next couple months. As I said above, I'd love to see the ToLC Presale get locked in to 10 AM on Wednesday morning but I have no idea how commonly held that preference is.
It's not burdensome at all, but also not what I imagined when you said you were looking for more info. I thought you meant more along the lines of "When will Anaheim be open?" and "When will we get our free crowler credit coupons?" type questions. Misinterpretation on my part.
I wasn't trying to imply your grumbling is controversial, it's incredibly tame compared to a lot of what I see. That aside, I guess I generally come at it from the opposite standpoint, in that I'd rather explore what can be improved than casually grumble. I do my fair share of complaining about all manner of topics, but when a brewery is as open to feedback as Modern Times is, my natural response is to try to figure out how to engage constructively, at least as a first pass at an issue.
Cheesy answer, and I realize I'm probably Modern Times' biggest fanboy, but I'll own that. If they put out a ****** beer, I'm not going to call it good. If they screw the pooch, I'm not going to sit here and try to sell it as a feature rather than a bug, but I also give them the benefit that they'll make things right.
Anyway, goal wasn't to imply your grumbling was controversial, moreso to try to find something productive out of it to improve the experience for people who aren't on FB and aren't super plugged in.
There was no FB only sale for Monster Tones, the only round of sales for it was announced via email. The BA MP w/ Coffee & Maple Syrup was the only time this year that avenue has been used and after the FB thread that ensued, I suspect it won't be repeated.
chemman141
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coldstorage
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I hope I don't have to flash my fanboy credentials as well. I think we both fondly remember my 1000 mi pilgrimages every other month to pick up allocations in the dark ages of no proxies. Great times! I also was having a chuckle last night as I mulled over the salty events of the day in this thread and then realized my son and I were in back yard working at the tomato plants both wearing Modern Times t-shirts.
Me owning that I missed Monster Tones allocation (and that it was on me) is HERE.
David passing along the intel that it was still available in a password protected sale is HERE.
Missing piece is that I remembered it as being a second opening when, upon rereading, it actually reads as an extended opportunity to purchase. (Also, it does not explicitly say it was on FB, it may well have been a carrier pigeon). I don't see either clarification as fatal to my overall case of wanting clear information and the same opportunities as other members.
I don't know. It still goes against my personal ethic, for better of for worse, to write a sob story email about how I missed my allocation and ask for special treatment. Best case scenario here is this was a generous if clumsy way of making sure everyone was covered. As I mentioned up thread, i'm sincerely glad I got covered in the end but I think any reasonable person would still pause in their joy to think "hmmmm... what other information and opportunity am I going without?".
I mean, I really appreciate you laying out the above detailed info about timeline but even you yourself pointed out that the step I care most about, step 2, is a bit of a moving target. I know it's a new thing and it's getting worked out. But also given my geography, the spending habits of other members I have seen, and my general grumpiness and non excellence (cringe) at the moment, im under no delusions that ill be invited to future rounds and be able to benefit from being part of the kink-working-out. This is likely all I get for my $$$, and I got some opinions, maaaaan.
It's not the end of the world... I just don't have a routine that allows me to plug in and wait so in the absence of timelines I will continue to catch as catch can and keep the faith that this bonus sale was atypical.
Great times! I also was having a chuckle last night as I mulled over the salty events of the day in this thread and then realized my son and I were in back yard working at the tomato plants both wearing Modern Times t-shirts.Me owning that I missed Monster Tones allocation (and that it was on me) is HERE.
David passing along the intel that it was still available in a password protected sale is HERE.
Missing piece is that I remembered it as being a second opening when, upon rereading, it actually reads as an extended opportunity to purchase. (Also, it does not explicitly say it was on FB, it may well have been a carrier pigeon). I don't see either clarification as fatal to my overall case of wanting clear information and the same opportunities as other members.
I don't know. It still goes against my personal ethic, for better of for worse, to write a sob story email about how I missed my allocation and ask for special treatment. Best case scenario here is this was a generous if clumsy way of making sure everyone was covered. As I mentioned up thread, i'm sincerely glad I got covered in the end but I think any reasonable person would still pause in their joy to think "hmmmm... what other information and opportunity am I going without?".
I mean, I really appreciate you laying out the above detailed info about timeline but even you yourself pointed out that the step I care most about, step 2, is a bit of a moving target. I know it's a new thing and it's getting worked out. But also given my geography, the spending habits of other members I have seen, and my general grumpiness and non excellence (cringe) at the moment, im under no delusions that ill be invited to future rounds and be able to benefit from being part of the kink-working-out. This is likely all I get for my $$$, and I got some opinions, maaaaan.
It's not the end of the world... I just don't have a routine that allows me to plug in and wait so in the absence of timelines I will continue to catch as catch can and keep the faith that this bonus sale was atypical.
sdreaper
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Yes, it was a FB post, and after I read it I recalled you posting in here that you had missed it. So I was doing what the post had said and passing that information along to make sure you, and anybody else that is a theory member and not in the FB group and happens to be on here, could see it and proceed to secure your bottles. Very glad you did.
ModernTimesSteven
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In regards to people hearing stuff on the facebook page, it's not that I only share information on that page (with this recent bottle sale I did), but there is way more conversation on that page and people ask me questions, so I answer them. If you ask me a question then I will answer it as well. Feel free to email [email protected] anytime and I will be more than happy to help. Hell, shoot me an email with your phone number and I can carve time out of my schedule and we can talk on the phone about everything. I'm a pretty open person. Regarding these most recent bottles, everyone got two, then you could buy two more, then there were 35 bottles left and I posted it on there. I hardly would call that diminishing membership benefits, but as I said I learned from the mistake and it won't happen again. I'm not just saying that. It won't happen again. I think the phone call route would be a good idea at this point, so shoot me an email and I'm sure you'll be more than happy once we talk. There's actually a member who had sent in a complaint to the coffee email address (a very valid one) and I decided to give him a call about it. Since then we have gotten together for beers and became great friends in the process. We actually talk on almost a daily basis.
Cheers,
Steven Michael
Modern Times Beer
Tyrsis
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what is the number to start this bromance
ModernTimesSteven
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Oh and we haven't announced this yet, but I'll post it on talkbeer only this time We actually plan on releasing the sale schedule for the rest of the 2018 year soon. So that'll be pretty damn cool.
Regarding what time emails go out, they would go out at random times because I was a one man show with the League and was always trying to keep up so I sent them out when I finished them. Now that Leanne is on the team we were able to send the limits raised email at exactly 10AM, so I think you'll find a more consistent time of day going forward as well.
Cheers,
Steven Michael
Modern Times Beer
We actually plan on releasing the sale schedule for the rest of the 2018 year soon. So that'll be pretty damn cool.Regarding what time emails go out, they would go out at random times because I was a one man show with the League and was always trying to keep up so I sent them out when I finished them. Now that Leanne is on the team we were able to send the limits raised email at exactly 10AM, so I think you'll find a more consistent time of day going forward as well.
Cheers,
Steven Michael
Modern Times Beer
chemman141
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One question, will the theory sales still start at a random time on Tuesday once the email is sent or will they go to a more standard 10 am Wednesday morning? You do a great ******* job catering to us ******** lol.Oh and we haven't announced this yet, but I'll post it on talkbeer only this time
Regarding what time emails go out, they would go out at random times because I was a one man show with the League and was always trying to keep up so I sent them out when I finished them. Now that Leanne is on the team we were able to send the limits raised email at exactly 10AM, so I think you'll find a more consistent time of day going forward as well.
Cheers,
Steven Michael
Modern Times Beer
ModernTimesSteven
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I'd say a better goal for us will be to send them out at 10AM on Tuesday morning. I'll make sure the timeline is established this upcoming month since we will be able to get ahead on the newsletters.
chemman141
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Awesome! Uniform times FTW
sdreaper
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coldstorage
Uncertain if you have resolved your MT email issues yet or not, but an email went out today for the Theory members and the whale watching tour. There is a link in there to sign up. Bit of a long ass round trip for you, but at least it is another MT email (theory specifically) where you can see if your filters are working.
Uncertain if you have resolved your MT email issues yet or not, but an email went out today for the Theory members and the whale watching tour. There is a link in there to sign up. Bit of a long ass round trip for you, but at least it is another MT email (theory specifically) where you can see if your filters are working.
swivelhips1
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Sure hope that can on the right is something non-hazy. A dry hopped lager would be nice.
Tyrsis
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The can on the right is the same as the can on the left...
swivelhips1
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Xul1
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Tyrsis
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Xul1
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Considering how the PDX batch of Dort turned out, I've got pretty high hopes for Abaddon. That water profile they have up there should be really nice for some lager action. I know it's probably not commercially viable, but I'd love to see them take a stab at a doppelbock up in PDX. A weizenbock and baltic porter would also be fun, but I can't imagine they're going to go _that_ hard in the lager game.
