The Official Modern Times League Of Partygoers & Elegant People Thread

[drbenzo1]

That's why we have dontdrinkbeer for the hard hitting journalism.

dontdrinkbeer

 

[dontdrinkbeer]

Here's what makes covering beer special:

Breweries shamelessly load up anyone with a wordpress or blogspot site with beer, schwag, access to events. If you are new, you will find there is no way to not give anything less than stellar feedback. The brewers doing the greasing can rarely take bad feedback. I learned early on with TheFullPint that the minute you spit some truth that isn't positive, you get nearly blackballed. Does any other form of journalism work that way? Like if the press throws shade on the Mayor, does City Hall block access? I know that's a wild analogy, but basically, the small/medium brewers control their press the best they can.

So then if you try to cover beer like any other genre like sports, entertainment or consumer products, and attempt to break news with protected anonymous sources, you seemingly break this unique beer wriring code that you are only supposed to get quoted statements from the brewery, only after getting permission from the brewer.

So yeah, covering beer sucks. Brándōn has been called out for years for the conflict of interest, the real sinners are the brewers paying him for the day job and the rags that don't see a problem with it. Jacob should be blasting Societe and all those city publications, not beer writers as a whole.

Tell everyone to suck their own tits and a shitlord mule group will accuse you of having some axe to grind and every other landlocked dumbfuck with a $400 mortgage will accuse you of homerism

Shittiest hobby ever, wait so conveying information to its fans is less than ideal?

 

[smithj21541]

Preach on brother...
MIRITE?? dontdrinkbeer

That's why we have dontdrinkbeer for the hard hitting journalism.

This is what I was trying to say.

dontdrinkbeer

Tell everyone to suck their own tits and a shitlord mule group will accuse you of having some axe to grind and every other landlocked dumbfuck with a $400 mortgage will accuse you of homerism

Shittiest hobby ever, wait so conveying information to its fans is less than ideal?

 

[chemman141]

Here's what makes covering beer special:

Breweries shamelessly load up anyone with a wordpress or blogspot site with beer, schwag, access to events. If you are new, you will find there is no way to not give anything less than stellar feedback. The brewers doing the greasing can rarely take bad feedback. I learned early on with TheFullPint that the minute you spit some truth that isn't positive, you get nearly blackballed. Does any other form of journalism work that way? Like if the press throws shade on the Mayor, does City Hall block access? I know that's a wild analogy, but basically, the small/medium brewers control their press the best they can.

So then if you try to cover beer like any other genre like sports, entertainment or consumer products, and attempt to break news with protected anonymous sources, you seemingly break this unique beer wriring code that you are only supposed to get quoted statements from the brewery, only after getting permission from the brewer.

So yeah, covering beer sucks. Brándōn has been called out for years for the conflict of interest, the real sinners are the brewers paying him for the day job and the rags that don't see a problem with it. Jacob should be blasting Societe and all those city publications, not beer writers as a whole.

Hmm, why is it this "blackballing" sounds familiar hahaha

 

[Previously]

Here's what makes covering beer special:

Breweries shamelessly load up anyone with a wordpress or blogspot site with beer, schwag, access to events. If you are new, you will find there is no way to not give anything less than stellar feedback. The brewers doing the greasing can rarely take bad feedback. I learned early on with TheFullPint that the minute you spit some truth that isn't positive, you get nearly blackballed. Does any other form of journalism work that way? Like if the press throws shade on the Mayor, does City Hall block access? I know that's a wild analogy, but basically, the small/medium brewers control their press the best they can.

So then if you try to cover beer like any other genre like sports, entertainment or consumer products, and attempt to break news with protected anonymous sources, you seemingly break this unique beer wriring code that you are only supposed to get quoted statements from the brewery, only after getting permission from the brewer.

So yeah, covering beer sucks. Brándōn has been called out for years for the conflict of interest, the real sinners are the brewers paying him for the day job and the rags that don't see a problem with it. Jacob should be blasting Societe and all those city publications, not beer writers as a whole.

Isn't this how a lot of soft news journalism works, though? Insert luxury item here journalism often amounts to glorified advertising, whether it be automobiles, cigars, fashion, video games, etc. Why would beer be any different?

 

[DannyFullpint]

Isn't this how a lot of soft news journalism works, though? Insert luxury item here journalism often amounts to glorified advertising, whether it be automobiles, cigars, fashion, video games, etc. Why would beer be any different?

I guess I'm not understanding your question but I agree with your assessment for the most part.

I can't speak for all publishers, I personally label paid for content. I have never been paid or greased to publish a glowing product review or event experience.

 

[Xul1]

The difference between beer and other luxury items is that in other areas with notoriously ****** journalistic standards - like video games - having an obvious conflict of interest would be called out. If an IGN reviewer was working at EA, both companies and the reviewer would be getting blasted and even casual gamers would probably see the conflict and not think it's acceptable.

I think the biggest factor in this is that so many people are under the illusion that craft beer is still a chummy brotherhood where the vast majority of people are going to do the right thing, and they _want_ puff pieces and to hear how awesome everything is. There have been a few cracks in the public facade, but it's mostly people being willing to take potshots at easy targets like Ballast Point. No one wants to be the first guy in the industry to call it like it is when a huge portion of the consumer base would be naive enough to think you're just being a bitter crank.

Edit: And yeah, I get it, even a lot of old school guys who aren't naie don't give a **** and don't care about any sort of solid journalism. My view is that it's better to have good information and coverage available and choose not to partake than to not have it available.

 

[coldstorage]

Man, this stuff is so damn good i'd go broke if it made distro this far north.

 

[sdreaper]

Carnival of Caffeination VIP tickets are now on sale. CHeck your emails. Brewery lineup looks pretty nice.

 

[Previously]

There have been a few cracks in the public facade, but it's mostly people being willing to take potshots at easy targets like Ballast Point. No one wants to be the first guy in the industry to call it like it is when a huge portion of the consumer base would be naive enough to think you're just being a bitter crank.

Edit: And yeah, I get it, even a lot of old school guys who aren't naie don't give a **** and don't care about any sort of solid journalism. My view is that it's better to have good information and coverage available and choose not to partake than to not have it available.

Is there even a whisper of a market for this? I don't even know what this would look like--people waking up in the morning, having their cup of coffee, and reading The Wall Street Journal and the Inside Beer Times.

I guess the whole concept of hard news/beer journalism is lol to me. dontdrinkbeer is all I need.

Edit: for what it's worth, I'm severely out of touch with the beer market these days, so if you say there's a a need for investigative beer journalism and in-depth exposés, I'll simply have to take your word for it.

 

[benbikes4beer]

Carnival of Caffeination VIP tickets are now on sale. CHeck your emails. Brewery lineup looks pretty nice.

If Jacob has learned from the waning attendance (last time I went) for Pour It Black and even Oakquinox to some extent, dark coffee beers shouldn't be the only focus.

I'd be legit interested if there was a non dark roast coffee beer element. If it's all BA Coffee Stouts and Coffee, certainly passing on the first league perk.

If this ends up anything like Michael Kiser's (Good Beer Hunting) Uppers and Downers that would be cool. Not a coffee guy but I've appreciated coffee in non obvious styles.

http://sprudge.com/10-delicious-moments-from-the-worlds-best-coffee-beer-festival-95534.html

Curious on further details. List of breweries is legit.

 

[drbenzo1]

Yes!!

 

[SanDiegoJoe2011]

Selfishly, I'm hoping that they have a San Francisco location in the works haha...or start allowing proxies ha.

 

[rcubed1]

Yes!!

 

[sdreaper]

I'm thinking friday nights, start at MT Encinitas, and then hop across the street for some Rocky Horror. Don't forget to bring your water guns and toast.

 

[davemont]

I hope it opens up faster than that track...

 

[chemman141]

Yes!!

I love that you can literally skip over more than half of the words in that announcement and it still makes sense. Their copy almost makes me want to stop drinking their beer.

 

[Xul1]

I love that you can literally skip over more than half of the words in that announcement and it still makes sense. Their copy almost makes me want to stop drinking their beer.

Whoa, no one's ever criticized their copywriting before. Don't cut yourself on that edge!

 

[chemman141]

Whoa, no one's ever criticized their copywriting before. Don't cut yourself on that edge!

Am I already banned?

 

[smithj21541]

Is this the next Hazy can release??

 

[bathroomlaughter]

Is this the next Hazy can release??

well...yeah. good news, that beer is ******* excellent.

 

[DougOLis]

Carnival of Caffeination VIP tickets are now on sale. CHeck your emails. Brewery lineup looks pretty nice.

The coffee roaster lineup is a little thin though. I wonder if that's more on a lack of invites to chief competitors or competitors turning it down.

 

[smithj21541]

Seems like a pretty solid bottle sale right out of the gate. Interesting that some are a "second chance" deal. I'll grab a spanish brandy for sure!!

 

[DannyFullpint]

The coffee roaster lineup is a little thin though. I wonder if that's more on a lack of invites to chief competitors or competitors turning it down.

I have it on good authority MT buys their green beans wholesale from Birdrock, yet no Birdrock for the fest hmmmm.

 

[coldstorage]

I'll grab a spanish brandy for sure!!

This will be the "hurt feelings" bottle for this sale, no doubt.

 

[SanDiegoJoe2011]

How many coffee roasters do they need to have? I would venture to say that most people are going for the beer, not to try 8 different pour overs. Even if you did want to try all the coffee, (11am)12-4pm probably doesn't let you try that much.

There are NO local roasters on the bill. And for what it's worth, when asked about Mostra, Derek went on FB to say "Our festivals feature out of town brewers and roasters. We all know and appreciate Mostra, but with limited space, we want to highlight some other roasters."

I'm bummed I'm going to miss it.

SOJA is playing that night at the North Park Observatory in case anyone wants to keep the party going, ha.

 

[smithj21541]

This will be the "hurt feelings" bottle for this sale, no doubt.

Yes first go around of seeing how the doubled league size will affect sales. For sure!

 

[chemman141]

Totally spaced on buying my ticket, glad the VIP was still available.

 

[SerenityNow]

Got our VIP tix. With MT's great track record for amazing coffee, amazing beer, and amazing fests with great lineups, I have faith this will be worth it. They had me at "Festival of .."

 

[nanobrew1]

When do bottles typically go on sale for the monthly allocations? I saw the e-mail about the preview but didn't see anything about purchasing.